Miguel Sanchez Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Absolutely no surprise a Celtic fan pops up with the most ignorant and intolerant comment imaginable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 There's nothing that can be added to this thread that hasn't pretty much been covered in the thread in the Politics forum. She should not be held in a men's prison. She has already faced sexual harassment there in the first 48 hours of her incarceration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 There's nothing that can be added to this thread that hasn't pretty much been covered in the thread in the Politics forum. She should not be held in a men's prison. She has already faced sexual harassment there in the first 48 hours of her incarceration. ...and she's still to meet the other prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdcal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sadly, still got man bits = mans prison. Alternatively, she could have not broken the law and landed up in this predicament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sadly, still got man bits = mans prison. Alternatively, she could have not broken the law and landed up in this predicament Gender and sex are not the same thing. Don't be ignorant. Don't be a bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sadly, still got man bits = mans prison. Alternatively, she could have not broken the law and landed up in this predicament I don't think anyone is suggesting she shouldn't be in prison, just a female prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdcal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Gender and sex are not the same thing. Don't be ignorant. Don't be a bigot. I'm not, I'm looking it at the perspective of: Someone could claim to be gender confused in order to go to the opposite prison, the authorities would be in a very poor position if they allowed this and something happened. Keeping it as which sex organs you have defines the prison you go to is possibly the safest option at the present moment. Society is not currently set up to deal with these issues. But cheers for branding me a bigot before even opening a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm not, I'm looking it at the perspective of: Someone could claim to be gender confused in order to go to the opposite prison, the authorities would be in a very poor position if they allowed this and something happened. Keeping it as which sex organs you have defines the prison you go to is possibly the safest option at the present moment. Society is not currently set up to deal with these issues. But cheers for branding me a bigot before even opening a discussion. She's had surgery and lived her entire adult life as a woman. It's not the same as some con artist saying that they are a woman to get into a cushier nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sadly, still got man bits = mans prison. Alternatively, she could have not broken the law and landed up in this predicament Has it not been reconstructed? Mental that she's got to go into a men's prison, got to feel sorry for her. Surely common sense can take over here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdcal Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 She's had surgery and lived her entire adult life as a woman. It's not the same as some con artist saying that they are a woman to get into a cushier nick. Has she legally changed from male to female yet? If not and still has male parts then the court can only do what they can do. I see she's been moved already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I, for one, would give it a bash. It's a wid from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Has she legally changed from male to female yet? If not and still has male parts then the court can only do what they can do. I see she's been moved already Legally still a man, but aye, she's been moved regardless . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Has she legally changed from male to female yet? If not and still has male parts then the court can only do what they can do. I see she's been moved already The process of legally changing takes years and years. If she is sufficiently advanced in the process then I don't see an issue with her being placed in a female prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm not, I'm looking it at the perspective of: Someone could claim to be gender confused in order to go to the opposite prison, the authorities would be in a very poor position if they allowed this and something happened. Keeping it as which sex organs you have defines the prison you go to is possibly the safest option at the present moment. Society is not currently set up to deal with these issues. But cheers for branding me a bigot before even opening a discussion. 1. She has had hormonal treatment and surgery and has been living as a woman for years. 2. She is not "gender confused". She is asserting her right to be a woman. Gender dysphoria is a much earlier stage in the process. 3. Even if a prisoner were at the early stages of gender dysphoria, there should be much more effort made to accommodate them within the prison system. The likelihood of a man pretending to be a woman to go to a women's jail is astonishingly low. 4. Gender and sex are not the same. You have arbitrarily decided that genitalia are a reliable indicator of a prisoner's risk factor including within the prison system's trans community. This is plainly not the case. 5. Treating her as though she is a man based on assumptions arising out of her genitalia is transphobic. 6. There is no evidence whatsoever that birth sex is "the safest option at the present moment". 7. It's not her fault if "society is not currently set up to deal with these issues". 8. Even if that were true, existing prison guidelines are supposed to make exceptions for those at an advanced stage of transition who do not yet have a state-mandated Gender Reassignment Certificate. So basically, you are a bigot, unless you recognise that she has a perfectly reasonable complaint here. If you want to remain a bigot that's entirely up to you, but a bigot you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Christ if Ad Lib and chums see half the posts on this thread they'll have an aneurism. 1. She has had hormonal treatment and surgery and has been living as a woman for years. 2. She is not "gender confused". She is asserting her right to be a woman. Gender dysphoria is a much earlier stage in the process. 3. Even if a prisoner were at the early stages of gender dysphoria, there should be much more effort made to accommodate them within the prison system. The likelihood of a man pretending to be a woman to go to a women's jail is astonishingly low. 4. Gender and sex are not the same. You have arbitrarily decided that genitalia are a reliable indicator of a prisoner's risk factor including within the prison system's trans community. This is plainly not the case. 5. Treating her as though she is a man based on assumptions arising out of her genitalia is transphobic. 6. There is no evidence whatsoever that birth sex is "the safest option at the present moment". 7. It's not her fault if "society is not currently set up to deal with these issues". 8. Even if that were true, existing prison guidelines are supposed to make exceptions for those at an advanced stage of transition who do not yet have a state-mandated Gender Reassignment Certificate. So basically, you are a bigot, unless you recognise that she has a perfectly reasonable complaint here. If you want to remain a bigot that's entirely up to you, but a bigot you are. So Fide's pretty much on the ball there then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe she'll find love in jail. It'll then get made into a film to rival Love Actually. A light heated rom com with not a hint of forced sex and anal rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 1. She has had hormonal treatment and surgery and has been living as a woman for years. 2. She is not "gender confused". She is asserting her right to be a woman. Gender dysphoria is a much earlier stage in the process. 3. Even if a prisoner were at the early stages of gender dysphoria, there should be much more effort made to accommodate them within the prison system. The likelihood of a man pretending to be a woman to go to a women's jail is astonishingly low. 4. Gender and sex are not the same. You have arbitrarily decided that genitalia are a reliable indicator of a prisoner's risk factor including within the prison system's trans community. This is plainly not the case. 5. Treating her as though she is a man based on assumptions arising out of her genitalia is transphobic. 6. There is no evidence whatsoever that birth sex is "the safest option at the present moment". 7. It's not her fault if "society is not currently set up to deal with these issues". 8. Even if that were true, existing prison guidelines are supposed to make exceptions for those at an advanced stage of transition who do not yet have a state-mandated Gender Reassignment Certificate. So basically, you are a bigot, unless you recognise that she has a perfectly reasonable complaint here. If you want to remain a bigot that's entirely up to you, but a bigot you are. I dunno, if I was going to the pokey I'd be doing all I could to end up in Cornton Vale. Imagine the amount of birds desperate for a ride. It would be like Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 1. She has had hormonal treatment and surgery and has been living as a woman for years. 2. She is not "gender confused". She is asserting her right to be a woman. Gender dysphoria is a much earlier stage in the process. 3. Even if a prisoner were at the early stages of gender dysphoria, there should be much more effort made to accommodate them within the prison system. The likelihood of a man pretending to be a woman to go to a women's jail is astonishingly low. 4. Gender and sex are not the same. You have arbitrarily decided that genitalia are a reliable indicator of a prisoner's risk factor including within the prison system's trans community. This is plainly not the case. 5. Treating her as though she is a man based on assumptions arising out of her genitalia is transphobic. 6. There is no evidence whatsoever that birth sex is "the safest option at the present moment". 7. It's not her fault if "society is not currently set up to deal with these issues". 8. Even if that were true, existing prison guidelines are supposed to make exceptions for those at an advanced stage of transition who do not yet have a state-mandated Gender Reassignment Certificate. So basically, you are a bigot, unless you recognise that she has a perfectly reasonable complaint here. If you want to remain a bigot that's entirely up to you, but a bigot you are. Is that a yay or a nay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I dunno, if I was going to the pokey I'd be doing all I could to end up in Cornton Vale. Imagine the amount of birds desperate for a ride. It would be like Christmas. Who for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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