Ira Gaines Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Is this 'serious debate' Mr Bairn or 'I troll to compensate for my offline difficulties' Mr Bairn typing? The English laws are stuck in the 1950's. There is nothing other than troll Mr Bairn and never has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Why not pass actual laws to protect them rather than restricting, bit not stopping, trading on a Sunday? We have those laws and every company chooses to ignore them. In an ideal world shops would be closed on Sundays and bank holidays, but at very least we can restrict their trading a bit to give the abused workers a bit of time off. Is this 'serious debate' Mr Bairn or 'I troll to compensate for my offline difficulties' Mr Bairn typing? The English laws are stuck in the 1950's. Serious debate. I'm not religious in the slightest but I support trading restrictions on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 In addition to it. The shops aren't legally trading, just letting people in for a mooch around.So, the 6 hour rule is there (to my knowledge) to protect employees on the Sabbath but the shops open and are fully staffed an hour earlier anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 So, the 6 hour rule is there (to my knowledge) to protect employees on the Sabbath but the shops open and are fully staffed an hour earlier anyway? Yep, plus presumably before that to get the shops looking good for when people turn up, plus many large shops have night-shift workers and cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 We have those laws and every company chooses to ignore them. In an ideal world shops would be closed on Sundays and bank holidays, but at very least we can restrict their trading a bit to give the abused workers a bit of time off. Serious debate. I'm not religious in the slightest but I support trading restrictions on Sundays. I highly doubt all large retail companies chose to ignore the law. Having worked for a few I've never known any large company to ignore laws regarding workers rights. What makes you assume people working in retail are 'abused' anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What about students that need to work at weekends for a bit of cash? Or people that have 2 jobs ? I used to hate it when I worked in retail because of the weekend work but a few of the people I worked with really didn't mind, I used to think they were mental but there you go. I only really hated it because I missed the football, now I'd kill for a Saturday job . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 For thos saying 'staff need some time off' you are aware of the working time directive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 What about students that need to work at weekends for a bit of cash? Or people that have 2 jobs ? I used to hate it when I worked in retail because of the weekend work but a few of the people I worked with really didn't mind, I used to think they were mental but there you go. I only really hated it because I missed the football, now I'd kill for a Saturday job . I work every second Sunday and I'm strongly considering requesting to work every Sunday. I get extra 'unsocial hour' pay and I quite like having a weekday off. Everywhere is quieter and it just feels nice to lie in when you know most other people have to work. My wife recently requested to do weekends as it's a boost to pay and I'm wondering what the benefits are of having Sundays off. Saturdays on the other hand I love having off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 For thos saying 'staff need some time off' you are aware of the working time directive? Which is ignored routinely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 We have those laws and every company chooses to ignore them. In an ideal world shops would be closed on Sundays and bank holidays, but at very least we can restrict their trading a bit to give the abused workers a bit of time off. Serious debate. I'm not religious in the slightest but I support trading restrictions on Sundays. This from the guy that was in favour of zero hour contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 In my hideously oppressive retail job I was able to sign a form in my induction which would have allowed me to never work on a Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Is this 'serious debate' Mr Bairn or 'I troll to compensate for my offline difficulties' Mr Bairn typing?He only has one setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Sunday trading hours are an essential tool to protect abused retail workers and should be retained at all costs. Furthermore, the Scottish government should seek to reintroduce them in Scotland.As has been pointed out they dont. English worlers maybe work 6 hours on a sunday instead of 8 in scotland I'd argue that if the unions in England dropped their opposition to Sunday trading they could leverage far more useful concessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'd argue that if the unions in England dropped their opposition to Sunday trading they could leverage far more useful concessions. Its all the snps fault,cmon get with the programme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 In my hideously oppressive retail job I was able to sign a form in my induction which would have allowed me to never work on a Sunday. Of course, had you chosen to sign that you would fall out of favour with the employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 This from the guy that was in favour of zero hour contracts. Zero hour contracts are brilliant for students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Zero hour contracts are brilliant for students. And atrocious for everyone else. Far worse than working Sundays, which (as mentioned above) is optional anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I cant believe people reply to the bairn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 And atrocious for everyone else. Far worse than working Sundays, which (as mentioned above) is optional anyway. Zero hour contracts are brilliant for anybody that likes having the opportunity to take time off whenever they want/need it. You're effectively trading security for the opportunity not to work when you don't feel like it. Suits a lot of people IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Zero hour contracts are brilliant for anybody that likes having the opportunity to take time off whenever they want/need it. You're effectively trading security for the opportunity not to work when you don't feel like it. Suits a lot of people IMO. That's not how most zero hour contracts work. The employer, not the employee tends to decide when the person works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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