Alex Salmond.

[Detournement]

55 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Absolute disgrace that David Davis is throwing mud around in the UK Parliament. What the f**k is going on*
 

What is a disgrace is that the Holyrood Committee is such a stage managed farce a Tory in London can blow it apart by stating a few obvious truths in a setting where James Wolffe can't silence him.

Beyond this particular case the wider changes Davis is calling for of parliamentary privilege for Holyrood, oversight of the Civil Service and separation of the Lord Advocate's office and the Scottish executive are all things we should welcome. 

[SandyCromarty]

Davis's statement at westminster is a massive slap in the face for Gauleiters Ross, Jack and Davidson and their Scottish tory cohorts, it signifies that westminster tory/nazi HQ are angry that they failed to bring down the hated Nicola Sturgeon  and the SNP over the Salmond fiasco and have decided to attack full on with Panzers blazing.

However, Davis, (nee Brown), who has never had any connection with Scotland, political are otherwise, assumed PP to deliver what his Nazi HQ is damning propaganda, with this privilige is the ability to lie on having 'bombshell' evidence which so far he hasn't revealed.

It is clear that they think the propaganda tactic of repeating the same accusatory lies will eventually be believed fully by the public, it is a tactic that Goebbels used so often and they are happy to take a leaf out of his book.

It is pathetic and what they fail to understand is that we have moved on and we are now working  and looking forward to the end of lockdown and summer.

As for Sarah Smith, her late Labour Leader father must be spinning in his Iona grave at the thought of his daughter colluding with the tories.

[SandyCromarty]

8 minutes ago, Detournement said:

What is a disgrace is that the Holyrood Committee is such a stage managed farce a Tory in London can blow it apart by stating a few obvious truths in a setting where James Wolffe can't silence him.

Beyond this particular case the wider changes Davis is calling for of parliamentary privilege for Holyrood, oversight of the Civil Service and separation of the Lord Advocate's office and the Scottish executive are all things we should welcome. 

And the end of a devolved parliament? because that is the tories ultimate aim.

[John Lambies Doos]

What is a disgrace is that the Holyrood Committee is such a stage managed farce a Tory in London can blow it apart by stating a few obvious truths in a setting where James Wolffe can't silence him.
Beyond this particular case the wider changes Davis is calling for of parliamentary privilege for Holyrood, oversight of the Civil Service and separation of the Lord Advocate's office and the Scottish executive are all things we should welcome. 

Defending a Tory, your champagne socialist agenda is being shown for what it is. Union at all cost, SNP bad

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

Absolute disgrace that David Davis is throwing mud around in the UK Parliament. What the f**k is going on*


*I already know, but for that to be seen as acceptable is a fucking joke

The ‘absolute disgrace’ is that the Fabiani enquiry is so useless that they refuse to get the information to shed light on this matter. If you had bothered to listen to DD you would see that he was advocating more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

Ridiculous that it needs a UK parliamentarian to expose the failures of Holyrood.

Open your eyes, man.

[Detournement]

15 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

26 minutes ago, Detournement said:

 

Defending a Tory, your champagne socialist agenda is being shown for what it is. Union at all cost, SNP bad

There is nothing to defend here. 

Tories can very occasionally do decent things such as Andrew Mitchell's recent interventions on Yemen. I'm not a myopic party loyalist unlike most on here.

Edit - Davis also voted against the war on Syria with the SNP and Corbyn. Presumably they are also champagne socialists?

Edited March 17, 2021 by Detournement

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Rousing words guys but you need to realise Sturgeon is capable of making mistakes, ironically you guys sound like conspiracy theorists against Westminster, you can't possibly conceive that Sturgeon could be at fault for something so it's all "They're attacking Scotland" - They're not, they're attacking Sturgeon and rightly so. 
Try and look at things as if you haven't been drinking Kool Aid. 

Do you believe what Davis did is acceptable when both the committee and Hamilton have the unredacted information?

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Do you believe what Davis did is acceptable when both the committee and Hamilton have the unredacted information?
 

Yes because the committee at least are not independent of the Scottish government both in terms of SNP control and the Lord Advocate. 

Either the committee or the Lord Advocate decided to bury the message from McKinnon stating Lloyd's interference in the investigation.

[Paco]

I’m curious as to Alex Salmond’s thoughts on all of this now. Is he happy seeing David Davis trying to bring down an SNP Government on the brink of an independence referendum in his name? I presumed in his anger he wanted to burn the whole house down but his committee appearance where he was still having pops at Tories suggested maybe not.

Not that it’s really important.

On these messages specifically, the committee have seen them already and didn’t see an issue, but I suppose they were focussed on getting Sturgeon rather than the chief of staff. Objectively it doesn’t look great for the chief of staff, I think she might ultimately have to resign, and it can be heavily implied but never proven that Sturgeon would’ve known as a result too. Good enough for an election soundbite, not good enough for a resignation.

[SANTAN]

7 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Do you believe what Davis did is acceptable when both the committee and Hamilton have the unredacted information?
 

Yes I do.

[doulikefish]

How bad must the yoon internal polling be if they have deployed David "I've got the assessments eh maybe I haven't" Davis ? Tremendous to watch the usuals get all excited about it 

[John Lambies Doos]

Yes I do.

Why would he interfere before an independent report is due for publish, perhaps trying to sway it.?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Yes because the committee at least are not independent of the Scottish government both in terms of SNP control and the Lord Advocate. 
Either the committee or the Lord Advocate decided to bury the message from McKinnon stating Lloyd's interference in the investigation.

I didn't ask for your opinion.

[SandyCromarty]

17 minutes ago, Detournement said:

There is nothing to defend here. 

Tories can very occasionally do decent things such as Andrew Mitchell's recent interventions on Yemen. I'm not a myopic party loyalist unlike most on here.

Edit - Davis also voted against the war on Syria with the SNP and Corbyn. Presumably they are also champagne socialists?

Saudi is the aggressor against Yemen and yet tory Ministers approved £719 Million in UK licences for Bombs, Missiles,Fighter Jets, Sniper Rifles and Ammunition.

Guess where they will be used against.

 

 

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, Paco said:

and it can be heavily implied but never proven that Sturgeon would’ve known as a result too. Good enough for an election soundbite, not good enough for a resignation.

This is where we currently stand with Sturgeon.

(I) Her husband appears to have perverted the course of justice and the only way the committee managed to avoid that conclusion was by deciding that his messages didn't actually mean what they explicitly said. His appearance at the committee was farcical.

(II) Her Chief of Staff appears to have lied to the committee and very likely illegally interfered in the investigation. Only the most credulous SNP supporters will actually believe that she was completely unaware of this. 

(III) Her government has ignored extremely damning legal advice from external council and the minutes of the meetings related to this have been lost. Who will actually believe they were genuinely lost?

(IV) According to Davis someone in her government withheld documents from the Court of Session. There is likely to be a police investigation into this. 

I believe she can survive this but she is deeply tarnished already and there is clearly more evidence to be exposed. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

What's quite awful about all this is that the likes of Murdo Fraser who are on the committee, have seen the unredacted information and say themselves in that committee that Sturgeon has done nothing wrong.

Yet publicly throwing mud by supporting Davis.

It's pretty clear what's going on here.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

This is where we currently stand with Sturgeon.
(I) Her husband appears to have perverted the course of justice and the only way the committee managed to avoid that conclusion was by deciding that his messages didn't actually mean what they explicitly said. His appearance at the committee was farcical.
(II) Her Chief of Staff appears to have lied to the committee and very likely illegally interfered in the investigation. Only the most credulous SNP supporters will actually believe that she was completely unaware of this. 
(III) Her government has ignored extremely damning legal advice from external council and the minutes of the meetings related to this have been lost. Who will actually believe they were genuinely lost?
(IV) According to Davis someone in her government withheld documents from the Court of Session. There is likely to be a police investigation into this. 
I believe she can survive this but she is deeply tarnished already and there is clearly more evidence to be exposed. 

You really are a straw-grasping clown.

[SANTAN]

4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

7 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

Yes I do.

Why would he interfere before an independent report is due for publish, perhaps trying to sway it.?

I don't think his comments will sway the independent report anyway. 

It's absolutley astonishing to me that we have credible claims and accusations being made and some of the regulars are on complete "whataboutery" mode and more than happy to defend their precious political party rather than looking at the allegations with an open mind. 

But but Toaries!

[Detournement]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

What's quite awful about all this is that the likes of Murdo Fraser who are on the committee, have seen the unredacted information and say themselves in that committee that Sturgeon has done nothing wrong.

You don't know what they have seen because the Lord Advocate has redacted and withheld documents. Also the findings of the committee are by majority so Fraser, Baillie etc may well disagree. 

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

This is where we currently stand with Sturgeon.
(I) Her husband appears to have perverted the course of justice and the only way the committee managed to avoid that conclusion was by deciding that his messages didn't actually mean what they explicitly said. His appearance at the committee was farcical.
(II) Her Chief of Staff appears to have lied to the committee and very likely illegally interfered in the investigation. Only the most credulous SNP supporters will actually believe that she was completely unaware of this. 
(III) Her government has ignored extremely damning legal advice from external council and the minutes of the meetings related to this have been lost. Who will actually believe they were genuinely lost?
(IV) According to Davis someone in her government withheld documents from the Court of Session. There is likely to be a police investigation into this. 
I believe she can survive this but she is deeply tarnished already and there is clearly more evidence to be exposed. 

You really are a straw-grasping clown.

Just address the points.