Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: He's trailing me round dotting random posts now. But it's OK, I know what I need to do. I've already packed my stuff into a sports bag. Now I'm bracing myself to tell the kids I'm just nipping out to get fags and to tell the wife that they should call whoever comes next 'Dad'. , Yeh suppose its better than reading the edgelord crap he posts so dot away! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Kier has cancelled his holiday next week and will work at number 10 instead. Crises averted! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, 101 said: Though NI had water cannons? My understanding is they arent home office approved for use over here. I find it quite mad that basically the tactic is stand there and get stuff hurled at you, just to avoid offending people. We should have water cannons and the like which can be deployed at this level of disorder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: My understanding is they arent home office approved for use over here. I find it quite mad that basically the tactic is stand there and get stuff hurled at you, just to avoid offending people. We should have water cannons and the like which can be deployed at this level of disorder. They could use them to put the fires out and “accidentally “ scud some of the c***s in the kisser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: My understanding is they arent home office approved for use over here. I find it quite mad that basically the tactic is stand there and get stuff hurled at you, just to avoid offending people. We should have water cannons and the like which can be deployed at this level of disorder. Unless something's changed, Boris bought some when he was Mayor of London and was then immediately told they were illegal for use. ETA - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/19/boris-johnson-unused-water-cannon-sold-for-scrap-at-300000-loss Edited August 4 by carpetmonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 5 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: They showed a map of the hotspots of trouble on Sky News earlier. There was one in Wales, one in Northern Ireland and about a dozen in England. It gave me a little frisson of pride to note that Scotland didn't have any. I know that any smugness could be wildly misplaced and we might be heading in the same direction. After all, we have our own issues with prejudice and it's not hard to imagine a similar situation emerging to that which developed in Belfast yesterday. What do people think? Are we intrinsically different from other parts of the UK in this regard? Would we face similar unrest if we'd bigger immigrant populations? I couldn't help noticing that some of the most troubled spots in England will be pretty white, so I don't know about that. Basically, I'm asking if we've just been lucky thus far and are unlikely to remain unaffected, or are there actual differences - structural, cultural, social , whatever - which have spared us hitherto and are bound to keep doing so? I think anti Islam attitudes are rife in Scotland but when it comes to crowds of people assembling it would turn into the familiar old firm/Scottish independence’s rivalries who would fight among each other rather than attacking the police/migrats. Watching the hotel in Rotherham ablaze is truly awful, imagine coming out of a burning building and then being set upon by a bunch of fat bald gammons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: My understanding is they arent home office approved for use over here. I find it quite mad that basically the tactic is stand there and get stuff hurled at you, just to avoid offending people. We should have water cannons and the like which can be deployed at this level of disorder. Well they need something. Looks like they got into the building because the polis didn’t even have shields so had to withdraw. Can’t imagine many 999 calls will be getting attended to in the Rotherham area. Sickening scenes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: My understanding is they arent home office approved for use over here. I find it quite mad that basically the tactic is stand there and get stuff hurled at you, just to avoid offending people. We should have water cannons and the like which can be deployed at this level of disorder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yeh suppose its better than reading the edgelord crap he posts so dot away! What’s ‘edgy’ about anything I’ve posted Don’t worry, given you seem to struggle with basic concepts like national insurance, I’m not expecting any sort of coherent reply. 14 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: He's trailing me round dotting random posts now. But it's OK, I know what I need to do. I've already packed my stuff into a sports bag. Now I'm bracing myself to tell the kids I'm just nipping out to get fags and to tell the wife that they should call whoever comes next 'Dad'. , What a weird post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, 101 said: Well they need something. Looks like they got into the building because the polis didn’t even have shields so had to withdraw. Can’t imagine many 999 calls will be getting attended to in the Rotherham area. Sickening scenes I honestly wont be surprised if a police officer is killed in these riots, the heavy impact of the rocks, blunt force trauma to the head, with only a helmet and plastic shield. If the situation is too dangerous then they have to withdraw. But again back to the point ive been making all week, when you cut a service to the bone you cant expect it to work effectively at significantly under the strength it needs to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 27 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I fully expect if this doesnt calm down in the next few days there will be cancellation of leave etc, there is a capacity for mass mobilisation, but i think that its actually got to the stage where the options open are either mass mobilisation of every single officer or deploying the army. We dont have the tear gas, water cannons etc which would bring this under control quickly. We have them here. Yours for a reasonable fee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: What’s ‘edgy’ about anything I’ve posted Don’t worry, given you seem to struggle with basic concepts like national insurance, I’m not expecting any sort of coherent reply. What a weird post. Not as weird as being an angry wee farce, but you do you boo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, carpetmonster said: Not as weird as being an angry wee farce, but you do you boo. You’re the one getting upset about a red circle on a football forum my man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I honestly wont be surprised if a police officer is killed in these riots, the heavy impact of the rocks, blunt force trauma to the head, with only a helmet and plastic shield. If the situation is too dangerous then they have to withdraw. But again back to the point ive been making all week, when you cut a service to the bone you cant expect it to work effectively at significantly under the strength it needs to be. I don't think even a fully stocked police force deal with riots over this amount of land. The "patriots" here have opened Pandoras box a bit and showed the UK populace how hard mobs are to control, and you wonder where this leads to, as I think a lot of the folk doing it just now don't have the bottle to do this when they start being faced with genuine violence. Easy to be gallus in a crowd against a minority trying to hide, not so much when you're matched with similar numbers who want to kill you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: You’re the one getting upset about a red circle on a football forum my man. Imagine having this level of reading comprehension and still taking to the internet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, RandomGuy. said: I don't think even a fully stocked police force deal with riots over this amount of land. The "patriots" here have opened Pandoras box a bit and showed the UK populace how hard mobs are to control, and you wonder where this leads to, as I think a lot of the folk doing it just now don't have the bottle to do this when they start being faced with genuine violence. Easy to be gallus in a crowd against a minority trying to hide, not so much when you're matched with similar numbers who want to kill you. Basically aye, the psychology of a crowd emboldens people to push things. Tbh yes with the right equipment and resourcing it could be handled, but chronic underfunding, understaffing and nothing beyond a plastic shield means you’ve got forces with hands tied behind their backs. I feel like its time for a gendarmarie type force who are public order specialists, could encompass the nca, border enforcement and all other functions merging with MOD and CNC police, recruit directly from retiring military and have a reserve function for times like these. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On a probably unrelated note to this discussion of policing against people who're trying to overpower them, this video appeared in my youtube recommendations yesterday: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Imagine having this level of reading comprehension and still taking to the internet. Yeah if something didn’t bother me I’d probably post multiple times in quick succession about it as well like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 16 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I honestly wont be surprised if a police officer is killed in these riots, the heavy impact of the rocks, blunt force trauma to the head, with only a helmet and plastic shield. If the situation is too dangerous then they have to withdraw. But again back to the point ive been making all week, when you cut a service to the bone you cant expect it to work effectively at significantly under the strength it needs to be. So say it does become too dangerous then what happens? I agree something awful worse than what we have seen thus far is going to happen. Awful situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 First off - what army? The Tories sold it. I've also read that there's a shortage of trained riot police because a lot of them handed their tickets in over a perceived lack of support following the Ian Tomlinson incident and there's been a low take up since. You can't whinge about wanting a police force that will go in and crack heads if they get persecuted for going in and cracking heads. There's not enough volunteers so they're having to order officers to do it - with little training and in unfamiliar equipment. No wonder they run away when threatened. All those calling for firmer policing, water cannons etc will be the first to lose their shit when it's used against pro-Palestine rallies, Just Stop Oil or entitled students greeting about hurty words. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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