Billy Jean King Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I'm not arguing semantics with you. Just admit you were wrong and gie us peace.Only one person talking shit here and it ain't me so will be admitting nowt. Contractor / consultant = Semantics lol. If you don't know the difference (wee clue about £1500 per day for starters) then I presume you haven't worked in IT for a very long time.You have cited a training agency youngsters can pay to give them a crash course which includes a work placement as an example of a model that railway companies could use to run a service while their employees are on strike. I suspect you need to spend more time out in the real world and less time on line.Speaking of which off out for a few beers in the Ayrshire sun and watch Goodwood and Galway races. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I'm not saying I agree with the model. I'm simply saying that they train and place people to become consultants. Not one of them will talk about being a Spartan on site. Do you think Scotrails fleet of trains maintain themselves? Every single night of the week there is maintenance schedules taking place all across Scotland, to keep the millions of passengers who travel on these trains every year safe. Walk me through how you become a consultant that has the academic and safety qualifications in order to be allowed to work on trains? Go to a local college one night and walk out with an apprenticeship and an HNC? It requires manual work, by people trained over a number of years to be able to carry out the job safely. You just simply don’t get ‘mechanical’ consultants. You might get engineers with a mechanical degree as a consultant, but he’s hardly going to be under trains changing brake pads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, oaksoft said: FFS I didn't say it DID exist in the rail industry. I said that IMO, this is the way it could go. The problem with you and Billy Jean is that you don't fucking listen. Honestly, what a pair. You suggested it would be a solution to replace striking workers. I simply explained why it’s an absolutely ridiculous idea that wouldn’t even be considered by anyone with half a brain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: I might be able to answer that one. They'll use a body shop which put it's employees through an intensive training program. Large companies do this already to take advantage of finding cheap programmers for large IT systems. They use a body shop company who take promising school leavers and people without qualifications and/or experience and put them through 12 weeks of intensive training (without pay by the way) before integrating them into the large company teams. They are not employees of the large company. They remain employees of the body shop (sometimes for a fixed number of years) and in that way can be hired and fired en-masse without the large company having to declare it publicly. It's a very successful business model and if it works for IT systems, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work in the rail industry. That would be my guess. And it wouldn't take very long to get to the point where you had a pool of people capable of stepping in at a moment's notice who are not union members. For ticket collectors and bin men? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Lyle Lanley said: ‘National Conversation’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Litt Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Scotrail are clearly speccy losers 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, virginton said: Karen on Twitter and the Chief Mammy running the country both think that scum drinking on the train is a disgrace = here ends the 'National Conversation'. Not even allowed on the train if you’re drunk apparently Rather leave vulnerable women who are intoxicated at the platform than allow them a safe journey home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-raising Lazarus Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Just now, Clown Job said: Not even allowed on the train if you’re drunk apparently Rather leave vulnerable women who are intoxicated at the platform than allow them a safe journey home. I get the point here, but anyone drunk is vulnerable surely? Not trying to distract from the utter wallopers that are scotrail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Self-raising Lazarus said: I get the point here, but anyone drunk is vulnerable surely? Not trying to distract from the utter wallopers that are scotrail. No you’re spot on A taxi can also refuse you if you’re drunk So how do they expect people to get home after a night out exactly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Clown Job said: No you’re spot on A taxi can also refuse you if you’re drunk So how do they expect people to get home after a night out exactly? Well according to the 1872 licensing act you shouldn't be drunk in a public place so the problem shouldn't arise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 How it started... How it's going... Absolutely pathetic. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Why does the SG treat the Scottish public with such utter contempt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, RiG said: How it started... How it's going... Absolutely pathetic. Seen this reply on here and it wouldn’t surprise me if this happens in the future. 4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Why does the SG treat the Scottish public with such utter contempt? Because they don’t like people having fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: Seen this reply on here and it wouldn’t surprise me if this happens in the future. Because they don’t like people having fun. It’s just fuckin lazy government. I bet when this ‘national conversation’ happens they will say anti social incidents on trains are way down. But that’s in the same way you’d have less car accidents if you banned driving. Tackle the culture of folk drinking irresponsibly and put in measures so that folk that want a drink and families wanting a quiet trip can get on the same train. But that’s too hard and too much effort, just ban the booze. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Yeah there won’t be any kind of ‘national conversation’ at all, that’s just buzzword nonsense.The decision has already been made by the people that matter and the results of some lip service survey and/or focus group findings won’t make a slightest bit of difference to anything.The only question now is what this fun police government we keep electing is going to go after next. Alcohol in airports would be my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Lyle Lanley said: Seen this reply on here and it wouldn’t surprise me if this happens in the future. Because they don’t like people having fun. She already did ban alcohol in pubs once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Why does the SG treat the Scottish public with such utter contempt? Well only a certain section of the Scottish public If you had to guess, do you think the BTP would be targeting fans on the train to Hampden or to Murryfield? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Well only a certain section of the Scottish public If you had to guess, do you think the BTP would be targeting fans on the train to Hampden or to Murryfield? Football fans are part of it but I think it’s bigger than just that. I think the SG see themselves as the ones to stamp out the drinking culture but their method is to just deny people. Make it more expensive, make licensing more difficult, ban it in more and more settings. The plebs will complain now but in a few years they’ll thank us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 It’s just fuckin lazy government. I bet when this ‘national conversation’ happens they will say anti social incidents on trains are way down. But that’s in the same way you’d have less car accidents if you banned driving. Tackle the culture of folk drinking irresponsibly and put in measures so that folk that want a drink and families wanting a quiet trip can get on the same train. But that’s too hard and too much effort, just ban the booze. Funnily enough, anti social behaviour is well up since the ban was imposed.Bring back the booze. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, H Wragg said: Funnily enough, anti social behaviour is well up since the ban was imposed. I cannot think why chinning a group of people for drinking on the train might cause more issues than just leaving them alone. Anyone? See also puritanical do-gooders grassing them up and then getting a reaction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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