Fide Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 You're not a cat either but you know what the word means. Have another go. You know I was just thinking the same thing. Does this mean that a cardboard box can't be a cardboard box because I'm not a cardboard box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 My definition of transphobia means absolutely nothing as I am not a transgender person. That is not the position that you took in the wings thread. You could maybe have stopped being transphobic then. Of course you're not allowed an opinion on how someone else defines their gender - this has been explained to you several times. "Nothing against trans people" but makes transphobic posts. Nice. "Them" Would you vociferously defend him if he was a racist? Or is it only acceptable to brush transphobic views aside? If you think that a guy who is a proven transphobe It would appear that you think your definition of transphobia means absolutely everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nobody here seeming to understand that when it comes to oppression you talk to the people who are oppressed. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nobody here seeming to understand that when it comes to oppression you talk to the people who are oppressed. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nobody here seeming to understand that when it comes to oppression you talk to the people who are oppressed. Cool. Effectively meaning that you can't comment on oppression unless you're oppressed. Yet apparently you have commented extensively, why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 That is not the position that you took in the wings thread. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/226861-wings-fined-by-electoral-commission/?p=9906099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Effectively meaning that you can't comment on oppression unless you're oppressed. Yet apparently you have commented extensively, why is that? I thought I referred you to my posts in the other thread which explained all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/226861-wings-fined-by-electoral-commission/?p=9906099 and? Declaring someone's views as more legitimate than someone else does not stop you from defining a word. A word that you used as a charge against someone quite liberally on the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I thought I referred you to my posts in the other thread which explained all this? I'm asking you now and telling me to trawl through an entire topic isn't helping. If you can't define the word, how can you claim someone is transphobic? If only oppressed people can truly know and comment upon their condition how can you comment at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 OED's definition is: "Intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people:" Hardly applicable to Wings. That won't stop those with an agenda though. He is prejudiced against transgender people by not recognising and respecting the gender identity by which they have chosen to interact with society. This isn't complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 He is prejudiced against transgender people by not recognising and respecting the gender identity by which they have chosen to interact with society. This isn't complicated. He didn't comment on gender, he commented on biology. And not respecting someone's gender identity isn't prejudice, it's rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 He is prejudiced against transgender people by not recognising and respecting the gender identity by which they have chosen to interact with society. This isn't complicated. No he isn't. Want to try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 He didn't comment on gender, he commented on biology. And not respecting someone's gender identity isn't prejudice, it's rude. He did comment on gender. Wings said that Chelsea Manning is "a man" and "he". That is commenting on gender, not biology. Were Wings commenting on "biology" the words would have been "a male". No he isn't. Want to try again? Yes he is. He is prejudiced against transgender people because he refuses to recognise their preferred gender pronouns. That is prejudice. It is denying them their basic right of acceptance in society in conformity with the identity that is theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 He did comment on gender. Wings said that Chelsea Manning is "a man" and "he". That is commenting on gender, not biology. Were Wings commenting on "biology" the words would have been "a male". Yes he is. He is prejudiced against transgender people because he refuses to recognise their preferred gender pronouns. That is prejudice. It is denying them their basic right of acceptance in society in conformity with the identity that is theirs. You appear to be redefining what the words "man" and "he". Not for the first time I may add. From the dictionary: he hiː/ pronoun pronoun: he 1. used to refer to a man, boy, or male animal previously mentioned or easily identified. "everyone liked my father—he was the perfect gentleman" used to refer to a person or animal of unspecified sex (in modern use, now chiefly replaced by ‘he or she’ or ‘they’): see usage note below). "every child needs to know that he is loved" any person (in modern use, now chiefly replaced by ‘anyone’ or ‘the person’: see usage note below). "he who is silent consents" West Indian him or his. "don't tell he nothing more" noun noun: he; plural noun: hes 1. a male; a man. "is that a he or a she?" male. prefix: he- "a he-goat" 2. British (in children's games) the player who has to catch the others; ‘it’ man man/ noun noun: man; plural noun: men; noun: Man; noun: the Man 1. an adult human male. "a small man with mischievous eyes" synonyms: male, adult male, gentleman, youth; More informalguy, fellow, geezer, gent, mother's son; informalbloke, chap, lad; informaldude, bozo, hombre; informaldigger; informaloke, ou, oom; informaladmi; informalbodach; informalcove; archaiccarl a male member of a workforce, team, etc. "over 700 men were made redundant" synonyms: worker, workman, labourer, helper, hand, blue-collar worker "the men voted to go on strike" ordinary members of the armed forces as distinct from the officers. "he had a platoon of forty men to prepare for battle" a husband or lover. "the two of them lived for a time as man and wife" synonyms: boyfriend, partner, husband, spouse, lover, admirer, fiancé, amour, inamorato; More common-law husband, escort, live-in lover, significant other, cohabitee; informalfancy man, toy boy, sugar daddy; informalboyf; informalsqueeze; informaljong; datedbeau, steady, young man; informalintended; archaicleman "have you met her new man?" a male person associated with a particular place, activity, or occupation. "a Cambridge man" a person with the qualities associated with males, such as bravery, spirit, or toughness. "she was more of a man than any of them" a male pursued or sought by another, especially in connection with a crime. "Inspector Bull was sure they would find their man" dated a manservant or valet. "get me a cocktail, my man" synonyms: manservant, valet, gentleman's gentleman, attendant, retainer; More page, footman, flunkey, Jeeves; datedbatman; houseman "his man brought him a cocktail" historical a vassal. 2. a human being of either sex; a person. "God cares for all men" synonyms: human being, human, person, mortal, individual, personage, soul "all men are mortal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 He did comment on gender. Wings said that Chelsea Manning is "a man" and "he". That is commenting on gender, not biology. Were Wings commenting on "biology" the words would have been "a male". Simple Definition of man : an adult male human being Guess again, bozo. Why do you two need to redefine the meaning of words in order to support your piss-awful argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Groundhog Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Can we then at least agree that it makes him a cunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Can we then at least agree that it makes him a c**t? Oh yeah, he's that, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Like folks, this isn't complicated. The English language, like many others, has historical usages of words that fail to take adequately into account the discriminatory and prejudicial impact those words have on minority groups. The word "misgender" really simply explains this. Pronouns relate to gender, not to biological sex. Just because the two overlapped for almost everyone throughout history, does not mean they are the same thing. Quite why anyone would want to address or refer to someone in public based on the genitals they have rather than their preferred gender identity escapes me. The possession of a penis has no bearing on any non-sexual or medical interaction in everyday life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Like folks, this isn't complicated. The English language, like many others, has historical usages of words that fail to take adequately into account the discriminatory and prejudicial impact those words have on minority groups. The word "misgender" really simply explains this. Pronouns relate to gender, not to biological sex. Just because the two overlapped for almost everyone throughout history, does not mean they are the same thing. Quite why anyone would want to address or refer to someone in public based on the genitals they have rather than their preferred gender identity escapes me. The possession of a penis has no bearing on any non-sexual or medical interaction in everyday life. "I am right even though I'm proven wrong" is not a good argument. f**k knows what they're teaching at law school these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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