Baxter Parp Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I can't quite understand why just about every political programme on TV (currently politics live, BBC2) has to earnestly debate Tony Blair's latest pronouncements, not just on Covid, but on just about anything. Why are his views so relevant? How much does he get paid by the BBC every time he opens his fucking mouth? Who gives a flying f**k for anything that weasly worm has to say? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: I can't quite understand why just about every political programme on TV (currently politics live, BBC2) has to earnestly debate Tony Blair's latest pronouncements, not just on Covid, but on just about anything. Why are his views so relevant? How much does he get paid by the BBC every time he opens his fucking mouth? Who gives a flying f**k for anything that weasly worm has to say? Thing is, even today people put more stock in what Blair says than what Starmer, Corbyn, or Miliband say. Hell, he can even grown his hair to look like a Bond villain and still gets more TV time and exposure than the current Labour leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Thing is, even today people put more stock in what Blair says than what Starmer, Corbyn, or Miliband say. Hell, he can even grown his hair to look like a Bond villain and still gets more TV time and exposure than the current Labour leader. The ruling class listens to its fellow travellers it’s not that surprising. The media’s hardly going to indulge the former leader who was calling the PM’s herd immunity strategy reckless when everyone in the media was kidding on the science backed it and dismissing critics as providing “hipster analysis” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 https://novaramedia.com/2021/07/13/jobcentre-staff-were-taught-to-inflict-psychological-harm-on-the-unemployed/Jobcentre Staff Were Taught to Inflict ‘Psychological Harm’ on the UnemployedTop-down pressure and 'benefit scrounger' narratives encouraged staff to be 'cruel and inhumane'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/20/proposed-secrecy-law-journalism-spying-home-office-public-interest-whistleblowing If correct, it's further proof of how dangerous this Govt is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Ben and Jerry’s stopping selling ice cream in the West Bank is the social media equivalent of posting “we don’t like Jews”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Reading the above and instantly thinking of the Pitchfork review for Shine On by The Jets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Brit love in...https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-57901216 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I'm no fan of BJ but I'm kinda shocked at the low key reaction to Cunnings revealing that he and other Vote Leave Spads were looking to oust Johnston just days after the 2019 GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, btb said: I'm no fan of BJ but I'm kinda shocked at the low key reaction to Cunnings revealing that he and other Vote Leave Spads were looking to oust Johnston just days after the 2019 GE. I don't really understand why he isn't the in the Tower of London by now, are none of his self aggrandising revelations covered by the Official Secrets Act? Great to get a glimpse behind the front door of number 10, and like you I have zero sympathy for BJ and his mob, but am a bit queasy about this self serving betrayal of the people he worked with when he was probably more responsible for the shitfest that happened than most of them put together. And now he has the cheek to suggest that maybe Brexit was a crap idea, like it had nothing to do with him. Edited July 21, 2021 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: I don't really understand why he isn't the in the Tower of London by now, are none of his self aggrandising revelations covered by the Official Secrets Act? Great to get a glimpse behind the front door of number 10, and like you I have zero sympathy for BJ and his mob, but am a bit queasy about this self serving betrayal of the people he worked with when he was probably more responsible for the shitfest that happened than most of them put together. And now he has the cheek to suggest that maybe Brexit was a crap idea, like it had nothing to do with him. No. He was an adviser with zero power, they were the elected, and supposedly accountable politicians. If they allowed themselves to be directed by him the culpability is all theirs. As a colleague of mine back in the day said to officials “You advise me, I tell you”. If the relationship between Cummings and government ministers was anything different then they are the ones to blame. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: No. He was an adviser with zero power, they were the elected, and supposedly accountable politicians. If they allowed themselves to be directed by him the culpability is all theirs. As a colleague of mine back in the day said to officials “You advise me, I tell you”. If the relationship between Cummings and government ministers was anything different then they are the ones to blame. Sure, ultimate responsibility lies with the politicians, but he was Johnson and Gove's boss in Vote Leave and carried on that work in Downing Street. He was the one who came up with the bus slogan and Britain getting invaded by 80 million Turks if we stayed in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Sure, ultimate responsibility lies with the politicians, but he was Johnson and Gove's boss in Vote Leave and carried on that work in Downing Street. He was the one who came up with the bus slogan and Britain getting invaded by 80 million Turks if we stayed in the EU.Quite. I've said before, for a guy who claims to hate politicians, he's a heck of a knack for working with tories, and the worst ones at that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I see this weird 21st century phenomenon of cancel culture continues with the Olympics ceremony Director being bagged in disgrace for a sketch show that he did as a comedian 23 years ago !! Where will it all end ? I doubt there will be many lily white people out there with nothing in their past which can't be used against them in some way or another........... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: No. He was an adviser with zero power, they were the elected, and supposedly accountable politicians. If they allowed themselves to be directed by him the culpability is all theirs. As a colleague of mine back in the day said to officials “You advise me, I tell you”. If the relationship between Cummings and government ministers was anything different then they are the ones to blame. Absolutely. In my job, I advise the reponsible person (Governor) of any H&S issues in his Prison. How, or if, he deals with these are his responsibility. In Law, I am the competent person. He is the responsible person. A distinction which takes an awful lot of pressure off me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Sure, ultimate responsibility lies with the politicians, but he was Johnson and Gove's boss in Vote Leave and carried on that work in Downing Street. He was the one who came up with the bus slogan and Britain getting invaded by 80 million Turks if we stayed in the EU. You reckon Johnson and Gove saw him as their boss? Or even their equal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: You reckon Johnson and Gove saw him as their boss? Or even their equal? They followed his instructions to the letter, at least till they'd forced Brexit through and won the election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Cummings basically said his overriding goal was to stop Labour getting in and the Tory press openly praised Johnson promising f**k all of substance in 2019 so they’re just as culpable and they know it. It’s funny that people are clutching their pearls about a cabal of advisers deciding who should be PM when they also treated the idea of member democracy in the Labour Party as an existential threat and stayed quiet about party donors demanding the removal of the Scottish Labour leader this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 The advisor appearing to have more power than the politicians only tells you that the pertinent politicians are complete shitbags and have failed to exercise proper control. Cummings was very much a convenient shield for Johnson given the ire went against him instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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