NotThePars Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 What’s yours? If I knew how to post a gif I’d show you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 What’s yours? Is this the answer every question with a question game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, DrewDon said: I hope anybody defending Gaffney on the basis of his class background and lazily stereotyped associated characteristics isn't going to moan about 'identity politics' on this forum at any point in the near future. Indeed. The only people displaying an offensive, snobby or patronising attitude towards the working class here are those defending Gaffney on the grounds that he has a working class background. Their inescapable implication is that all working class people are too thick and backwards to know any better, which is a ridiculous position to take. Edited February 9, 2018 by Dunning1874 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Indeed. The only people displaying an offensive, snobby or patronising attitude towards the working class here are those defending Gaffney on the grounds that he has a working class background. Their inescapable implication is that all working class people are too thick and backwards to know any better, which is a ridiculous position to take. So are you writing everyone off who uses the two terms he used? Ignorant, racist, homophobes, every one of them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 So are you writing everyone off who uses the two terms he used? Ignorant, racist, homophobes, every one of them? Certainly ignorant. If not ignorant then that's worse as they are knowingly using racist and homophobic worss. Do you not think that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 By the exact definition then yes they are ignorant. Are you willing to write them off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 13 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: What’s yours? I'll have a vodka. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 By the exact definition then yes they are ignorant. Are you willing to write them off? What do you mean by write them off? I am willing to say they should be suspended from the party if the also happen to be Labour MPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 What do you mean by write them off? I am willing to say they should be suspended from the party if the also happen to be Labour MPs. Suspended from the party? Really?My initial point on here was in response to a couple of posts which suggested 'these type of people' should not be MPs. If I did this, as a teacher, I would be officially reprimanded. The same has happened in this case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, pandarilla said: My initial point on here was in response to a couple of posts which suggested 'these type of people' should not be MPs. It was about Chlamydia Kid's claim that it was just normal working class behaviour and he couldn't be expected to know about how to behave in wider society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Are pandarilla and Gaffney brother Masons? I think we should be told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It was about Chlamydia Kid's claim that it was just normal working class behaviour and he couldn't be expected to know about how to behave in wider society. That's not what tck said though. There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people in this country who don't particularly buy into political correctness. They sometimes use offensive language and if we choose to cut them off from our political system then I think we're storing up bigger problems. The divide that tck mentioned is real. The labour party has been trying to deal with the consequences of this disconnect - and it's not easy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I think that if there's a realistic chance that someone is a bigot, then they shouldn't be allowed in public office because they can't be trusted to serve the public, or at the very least, certain members of it. I don't think that's unreasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, pandarilla said: That's not what tck said though. There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people in this country who don't particularly buy into political correctness. They sometimes use offensive language and if we choose to cut them off from our political system then I think we're storing up bigger problems. The divide that tck mentioned is real. The labour party has been trying to deal with the consequences of this disconnect - and it's not easy. Everyone from whatever class knows that context is a thing. You tell jokes to your mates that you don't tell an elderly aunt, or from a platform to youngsters. It's not fucking rocket science and to assume we need to accept racist and homophobic jokes on a public stage to be inclusive to the working classes is just ignorant and condescending. Edited February 9, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Everyone from whatever class knows that context is a thing. You tell jokes to your mates that you don't tell an elderly aunt, or from a platform to youngsters. It's not fucking rocket science and to assume we need to accept racist and homophobic jokes on a public stage to be inclusive to the working classes is just ignorant and condescending. We don't need to accept it. But we also shouldn't overreact to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: We don't need to accept it. But we also shouldn't overreact to it. Because it was failed jokes, not because he was working class. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Because it was failed jokes, not because he was working class. I'm not sure what your point is here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Randy Giles said: I think that if there's a realistic chance that someone is a bigot, then they shouldn't be allowed in public office because they can't be trusted to serve the public, or at the very least, certain members of it. I don't think that's unreasonable. I just think if somebody is that stupid to not even realise you can't say things like that in public especially if you're an MP isn't fit to be one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I'm not sure what your point is here. He shouldn't be held to any lower standards because he was working class rather than a posh Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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