101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Your friend is an idiot. Forgive me, but are you Trans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, 101 said: Forgive me, but are you Trans? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: No. Then I will file your opinion in the bin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, 101 said: Then I will file your opinion in the bin. You can do whatever you want. Statistically, in actual reality, your friend is at least if not more safe here than any other country in the world. Assuming she is trans, and even if she's not. Those are just the facts of the matter. So if she doesn't feel safe here, she's an idiot. That's just the way it is, if it sounds impolite that's cause there's no other way to put it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: I'm not Trans so I'm not going to speak for them but I can imagine in a country where you already have a vast majority of Trans people being verbally assaulted and over a third physically assaulted that a bill that removed protection from Trans identity it will add to the hostile feeling that is already wide spread. So it's your contention that there are only 120 trans folk in Scotland? There were 41 charges reported in 2019-20 with an aggravation of transgender identity, compared to 40 in 2018-19. https://www.copfs.gov.uk/media-site-news-from-copfs/1887-hate-crime-in-scotland-2019-20 Trans folk are still in a protected group, that's unchanged. https://beta.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, Baxter Parp said: So it's your contention that there are only 120 trans folk in Scotland? There were 41 charges reported in 2019-20 with an aggravation of transgender identity, compared to 40 in 2018-19. https://www.copfs.gov.uk/media-site-news-from-copfs/1887-hate-crime-in-scotland-2019-20 Trans folk are still in a protected group, that's unchanged. https://beta.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill You are conflating reported crime with actual crime. But I apologise I should have said those stats were UK wide. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/trans_stats.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiIj5_l8rzuAhXXEcAKHY80CeEQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2qsK2TsNshR1mW8_OF06b1 Trans people are protected but now their identity is not, well it won't be if that amendment passes, why single one group out to have their identity open for often unfounded criticism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, 101 said: Trans people are protected but now their identity is not, well it won't be if that amendment passes, why single one group out to have their identity open for often unfounded criticism. Can you explain what you mean by unfounded criticism of a trans person's identity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Can you explain what you mean by unfounded criticism of a trans person's identity? The amendment is seeking to continue to allow criticism of Trans identity. The only criticism aimed at Trans people that I have ever seen has been that they are some how sexual deviants this is obviously unfounded and abusive. I have never seem a criticism aimed at an entire groups identity that hasn't been lazy, harmful and abusive. I don't know if you have different experience but that is my experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, 101 said: The amendment is seeking to continue to allow criticism of Trans identity. The only criticism aimed at Trans people that I have ever seen has been that they are some how sexual deviants this is obviously unfounded and abusive. And therefore illegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, Baxter Parp said: And therefore illegal. I would then argue why isn't the entire section being removed rather than just the trans element? I would also be concerned that the Trans community are preying on young people to "turn them trans" as far as I know no one has been prosecuted over having a view like that and about the age of consent to use medicine to correct gender dysphoria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, 101 said: I would then argue why isn't the entire section being removed rather than just the trans element? I would also be concerned that the Trans community are preying on young people to "turn them trans" as far as I know no one has been prosecuted over having a view like that and about the age of consent to use medicine to correct gender dysphoria. This is hysterical, I'm sorry but it is. Here is an observer from another country giving his first impressions, see if this makes sense to you That's not a tenable situation in a democratic society, it just isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, 101 said: I would then argue why isn't the entire section being removed rather than just the trans element? It's an insertion not a removal. 9 minutes ago, 101 said: I would also be concerned that the Trans community are preying on young people to "turn them trans" as far as I know no one has been prosecuted over having a view like that and about the age of consent to use medicine to correct gender dysphoria. You'll need to clarify this bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: It's an insertion not a removal. You'll need to clarify this bit. You're right apologies, okay why isn't it explicitly permitting criticism of Ethnic Minority identity? Or Gay identity? Or identity of men? I really wish there was no need for this law or legislation around what people can and can't say but until we live in a better world I'm afraid it's a necessary evil. I'm not going to clarify it as the views are abhorrent and fairly prominent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: You're right apologies, okay why isn't it explicitly permitting criticism of Ethnic Minority identity? Or Gay identity? Or identity of men? Well, those things aren't protected either, so I guess it's an addition at the recommendation of the Justice Committee. 9 minutes ago, 101 said: I really wish there was no need for this law or legislation around what people can and can't say but until we live in a better world I'm afraid it's a necessary evil. Absolutely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Well, those things aren't protected either, so I guess it's an addition at the recommendation of the Justice Committee. Absolutely. It seems to me to be playing to a crowd to have Yousafs amendment in and it's not a crowd I'm comfortable Scotland playing to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, 101 said: It seems to me to be playing to a crowd to have Yousafs amendment in and it's not a crowd I'm comfortable Scotland playing to. That crowd still can't commit hate crimes, whoever it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/george-galloways-application-new-party-23390859 Unclear why he is raising funds to contest an election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) This gamestop thing is hilarious. Losses on short positions in U.S. firms top $70 billion - Ortex data https://www.reuters.com/article/us-retail-trading-shortbets/losses-on-short-positions-in-u-s-firms-top-70-billion-ortex-data-idUSKBN29X1SW Edited January 28, 2021 by Baxter Parp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Im looking forward to a Social Network/The Big Short style mesh in a few years about this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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