btb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Support such as sickness, unemployment, disability should indeed be temporary as hopefully these setbacks will pass. Things like OAP are contributed towards, although not funded by the state,and are received irrespective of the persons circumstances. 1. Cant see your problem but I think you’re just being awkward. If the above isn’t cradle to grave insurance I don’t know what is. 2. Are you suggesting that people should be receiving benefits as infinitum? 1. If it's temporary it isn't cradle to grave - pointing this out isn't being awkward it's just basic English comprehension. 2. If they're required then yes. Edited May 19, 2022 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, btb said: 1. If it's temporary it isn't cradle to grave - pointing this out isn't being awkward it's just basic English comprehension. 2. If they're required then yes. It is though, because the 'insurance' kicks in at times of need, which by it's nature will nearly always be temporary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: The various reasons I've already outlined. Can't get a job? Maybe he's not tried hard enough or sent in a poorly written CV. Can't keep a job? Maybe he hasn't shown the right attitude. Settled for a zero hours contract and is not being given many hours? Maybe he should have searched for a job with full hours contracts. Skint? Maybe he should sell some luxury items or not go to the pub. What plan had he put in place before he left school and why is it not working? A small pointer - 4.81 is the minimum wage for 16/17 therefore they can't go to the pub. The rest of your post shows you're entirely grounded to facts and living in reality tho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: A small pointer - 4.81 is the minimum wage for 16/17 therefore they can't go to the pub. The rest of your post shows you're entirely grounded to facts and living in reality tho. Fair play min. Technically, he could still be drinking underage in a pub though, or in a local park. Glad you appreciate my facts. Edited May 19, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Still nae lies from Ms Black I see 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 6 hours ago, carpetmonster said: Why? Remember that this is the guy who accuses *others* of not debating in good faith. Lie no.2 from Misinformation Mhairi - 'Our economy has the slowest growth in the G7.' -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: It is though, because the 'insurance' kicks in at times of need, which by it's nature will nearly always be temporary. You must be Mr. Contradiction's brother - If it's temporary it isn't "cradle to grave" that's Basic English comprehension. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, btb said: You must be Mr. Contradiction's brother - If it's temporary it isn't "cradle to grave" that's Basic English comprehension. The insurance is cradle to grave though. The times of need are temporary, but the insurance is permanent. It just kicks in when required. Edited May 19, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, btb said: You must be Mr. Contradiction's brother - If it's temporary it isn't "cradle to grave" that's Basic English comprehension. You are just so clueless! Cradle to grave means that the state will help you from birth to death at times when you NEED help. Only a fool would imagine that the state would chuck money at you whilst you were self sufficient. Maybe, of course, you’re some kind of communist who thinks that the state should do everything for you In return for your labours.. Good luck with that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: The insurance is cradle to grave though. The times of need are temporary, but the insurance is permanent. It just kicks in when required. I’m done with this fellow, btb. Totally clueless. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: I seem to recall Beveridge, the founder of the welfare state saying that welfare should be temporary to allow the individual to get through a period of unemployment or sickness but it should not be a permanent thing. 4 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: The insurance is cradle to grave though. The times of need are temporary, but the insurance is permanent. It just kicks in when required. That's a different argument DPB clearly said "welfare should be temporary" I said it should be available as long as required (see top of page). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, btb said: That's a different argument DPB clearly said "welfare should be temporary" I said it should be available as long as required (see top of page). Not at all.. welfare should indeed be temporary i.e. you only receive it when required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: You are just so clueless! ABUSE Cradle to grave means that the state will help you from birth to death at times when you NEED help. Only a fool ABUSE would imagine that the state would chuck money at you whilst you were self sufficient. Maybe, of course, you’re some kind of communist who thinks that the state should do everything for you In return for your labours.. Good luck with that. As I pointed out in the above post that's not what you actually said - a lack of English comprehension followed by name calling & yeah I agree with the basic Marxist concept of "to each according to his needs" and I'm proud of it but that's not the same as "chucking money at you whilst you were self sufficient" at no point did I suggest that just another example of poor English comprehension. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Not at all.. welfare should indeed be temporary i.e. you only receive it when required. To each according to his needs that's good Marxist theory and I'm glad we can agree on that but as I pointed out that's not actually what DPB said in his original post - go back and follow the trail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Lie no.2 from Misinformation Mhairi - 'Our economy has the slowest growth in the G7.' https://www.ft.com/content/4ac7e454-5a0c-4094-90af-fb54404d45a0 Small oversight - it’s about to be tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Lie no.2 from Misinformation Mhairi - 'Our economy has the slowest growth in the G7.'Try againhttps://www.ft.com/content/4ac7e454-5a0c-4094-90af-fb54404d45a0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: https://www.ft.com/content/4ac7e454-5a0c-4094-90af-fb54404d45a0 Small oversight - it’s about to be tho. And the slightly better growth rate this year doesn’t disguise it the UK having the worst plummet of the G7 in 2020 https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) Still a lie from MM lads. As it stands, the UK does not have the worst growth like she claims. I'm off to bed now, but will reveal more of Misinformation Mhairi's web of lies tomorrow. Edited May 19, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 23 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Still a lie from MM lads. As it stands, the UK does not have the worst growth like she claims. I'm off to bed now, but will reveal more of Misinformation Mhairi's web of lies tomorrow. Just f**k off and don't come back. I refer you to Div's sticky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 DPB & DAF, great bunch 'o lads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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