speckled tangerine Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Redstarstranraer said: UKIP not fielding a candidate either on the basis Goldsmith is a committed Brexiter, so he looks to have a clear run as far as the right-wing part of the electorate is concerned. About a year ago I would have expected them to try and snare him Douglas Carswell-style and double their number of MPs, but I suppose from Goldsmith's point of view UKIP are politically toxic at this moment in time. If Labour don't field a candidate either as has been mooted then the election is a total sham. It makes "democracy" look shabby. It's not a Jo Cox situation and I know Goldsmith was a man tipped to go far but, come on! Chucked his toys oot the pram. Proper square go! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 UKIP not fielding a candidate either on the basis Goldsmith is a committed Brexiter, so he looks to have a clear run as far as the right-wing part of the electorate is concerned. About a year ago I would have expected them to try and snare him Douglas Carswell-style and double their number of MPs, but I suppose from Goldsmith's point of view UKIP are politically toxic at this moment in time. I know the Tories aren't exactly brilliant on this either, but I imagine UKIPs complete lack of concern for environmental issues would be a big stumbling block.I really do think all parties should stand, but I wonder if this is something to do with rumours also that UKIP are fucked financially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 32 minutes ago, Redstarstranraer said: UKIP not fielding a candidate either on the basis Goldsmith is a committed Brexiter, so he looks to have a clear run as far as the right-wing part of the electorate is concerned. About a year ago I would have expected them to try and snare him Douglas Carswell-style and double their number of MPs, but I suppose from Goldsmith's point of view UKIP are politically toxic at this moment in time. UKIP can't afford to field a candidate in Richmond Park as the party has massive debts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 UKIP won't exist in a few years. The party has entered into a death spiral. I epxect it to break into lots of microgroupings with a new formation bankrolled by Arron Banks taking on the mantle of the alt-right in the UK context. Doubt it will ever gain the level of influence that UKIP was bizarrely allowed to wield in UK politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said: UKIP won't exist in a few years. The party has entered into a death spiral. I epxect it to break into lots of microgroupings with a new formation bankrolled by Arron Banks taking on the mantle of the alt-right in the UK context. Doubt it will ever gain the level of influence that UKIP was bizarrely allowed to wield in UK politics. EUKIP could be bankrupt within a year or so if its debts are called in. It will be gone very soon after Brexit as it depends on the European Parliament's funds to pay for its staff and campaigning activities. Banks might fund a new right-wing party after Brexit to fight the 2020 General Election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Not surprised at John Lambie Doos providing the fucking moron argument of "independence at all costs" argument. I won't take many costs. The wellbeing of family and loved ones mostly. Anyone who takes the "all costs" argument is a brain donor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 If Labour don't field a candidate either as has been mooted then the election is a total sham. It makes "democracy" look shabby. It's not a Jo Cox situation and I know Goldsmith was a man tipped to go far but, come on! Chucked his toys oot the pram. Proper square go! No idea what's going through the minds of Labour folk saying we shouldn't field a candidate there. Can't stand Zac Goldsmith but I can't stand the Lib Dems either so why the hell should we help them? It would be a total slap in the face to Labour members and supporters in that constituency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 No idea what's going through the minds of Labour folk saying we shouldn't field a candidate there. Can't stand Zac Goldsmith but I can't stand the Lib Dems either so why the hell should we help them? It would be a total slap in the face to Labour members and supporters in that constituency. There seems to be this whole "Progressive Alliance" thing going on, which apparently means if you don't vote Tory, you'll vote any other party that isn't Tory. When the chances are I'm sure a large amount of casual voters switch between Labour and Tories at elections, without giving a thought to the other parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ivo den Bieman said: UKIP won't exist in a few years. The party has entered into a death spiral. I epxect it to break into lots of microgroupings with a new formation bankrolled by Arron Banks taking on the mantle of the alt-right in the UK context. Doubt it will ever gain the level of influence that UKIP was bizarrely allowed to wield in UK politics. is there really a UK "alt-right"? Obviously there are people here who are properly into all that stuff and half the folk making a living out of it are British but it still seems to be an entirely America based/focused phenomenon. The band of posh old VLs that make up UKIP are certainly about as un-"alt" as it gets. Edited October 27, 2016 by Alan Stubbs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 is there really a UK "alt-right"? Obviously there are people here who are properly into all that stuff and half the folk making a living out of it are British but it still seems to be an entirely America based/focused phenomenon. The band of posh old VLs that make up UKIP are certainly about as un-"alt" as it gets. There is that slightly odd bloke from Yorkshire who appears on Infowars and can't enunciate properly. And, I guess, Jon Gaunt and Katie Hopkins. That's about as alt. right as it gets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Alan Stubbs said: is there really a UK "alt-right"? Obviously there are people here who are properly into all that stuff and half the folk making a living out of it are British but it still seems to be an entirely America based/focused phenomenon. The band of posh old VLs that make up UKIP are certainly about as un-"alt" as it gets. It depends how you are defining alt-right I guess. It seems to be a very wide spectrum from populist right troll to out and out white supremacist. I suspect alt right in the U.K. Context could mean the kind of post-fact analysis peddled by Farage ( "I think the doctors have got it wrong on smoking"), the loon in Lincolnshire who blamed flooding in England on the legalization of gay marriage, old VLs who still insist on calling Zimbabwe "Rhodesia", Factor in Breitbart London, libertarian lunatics like Guido Fawkes, and the fact that Raheem Kassam has been touted as the "alt-right" leadership candidate, and the alt right influence is there, even if, as you quite rightly say, it's nothing like as influential as it is over the pond. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstarstranraer Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, jmothecat said: No idea what's going through the minds of Labour folk saying we shouldn't field a candidate there. Can't stand Zac Goldsmith but I can't stand the Lib Dems either so why the hell should we help them? It would be a total slap in the face to Labour members and supporters in that constituency. According to the reports I've seen the Labour NEC have confirmed they will stand a candidate. It was the pet idea of Lisa Nandy, Clive Lewis and Jonathon Reynolds that they not stand in order to not split the 'progressive' vote. Hard to tell sometimes what is official Labour policy and what isn't these days but it would appear not standing against the Lib Dems definitely isn't. The Greens are also going to stand although they apparently want to 'cooperate' with the Lib Dems, whatever that is supposed to mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Regarding the alt right the interview with Mike Cernovich (sp?) in the New Yorker is worth reading. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Alan Stubbs said: is there really a UK "alt-right"? Obviously there are people here who are properly into all that stuff and half the folk making a living out of it are British but it still seems to be an entirely America based/focused phenomenon. The band of posh old VLs that make up UKIP are certainly about as un-"alt" as it gets. I wouldn't be surprised if our very own Reynard set the whole alt right thing off. https://twitter.com/TheZephyrus1969 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 8 hours ago, Redstarstranraer said: UKIP not fielding a candidate either on the basis Goldsmith is a committed Brexiter, so he looks to have a clear run as far as the right-wing part of the electorate is concerned. About a year ago I would have expected them to try and snare him Douglas Carswell-style and double their number of MPs, but I suppose from Goldsmith's point of view UKIP are politically toxic at this moment in time. Probably giving him a free run is in the hope he'll switch sides & take his constituency Tory branches largely with him. After what happened with Mr Reckless, highly unlikely, but suppose they think it's worth a shot. Would expect the Greens to also stand down - they'd considered backing a call to transfer to him during the London mayoral elections, but the fact he was a Tory candidate proved the stumbling block (luckily as it happened considering some of his less than PC pronouncements during the campaign). Now he's an independent standing on an environmental issue, they can do so with a clear conscience. 8 hours ago, speckled tangerine said: If Labour don't field a candidate either as has been mooted then the election is a total sham. It makes "democracy" look shabby. It's not a Jo Cox situation and I know Goldsmith was a man tipped to go far but, come on! Chucked his toys oot the pram. Proper square go! It means however Labour don't get horsed & provide more anti-Corbyn ammo if it is judged that their percentage didn't go up enough compared to the General Election or whatever. The LibDems by contrast see getting a freak result here from being "last one standing" as the springboard to greater things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ruth Davidson named Scotland's Politician of the Year http://stv.tv/news/politics/1371259-ruth-davidson-named-scotland-s-politician-of-the-year/ The Herald's pretty much reduced to trolling the rest of the country now, really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ruth Davidson named Scotland's Politician of the Yearhttp://stv.tv/news/politics/1371259-ruth-davidson-named-scotland-s-politician-of-the-year/ The Herald's pretty much reduced to trolling the rest of the country now, really. Seems like the obvious choice really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Typically Scottish to reward 'glorious failure' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Aye the obvious choice with 22% of the vote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Overtaking Labour (no matter what a shambles it is these days) is still a fairly big thing. No surprise she won to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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