Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is that your counter argument, dickhead? You didn't put an argument forward. You put forward your usual insane, paranoid BritNat ramblings about undefinable and unexplained *things* that are being done to you by the EU. You even stated yourself you have an "obsessive" hatred of the institution. I must say you're doing a masterful job in making Brexiters look like nutcases who hate the EU without actually knowing why, though. Keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Interesting post on the Facebook page of Martin Fletcher, an ex international Times correspondent on Boris: Appalled as I am at the prospect of my country voting to leave the European Union next week, I am hardly surprised. For 25 years our press has fed the British public a diet of distorted, mendacious and relentlessly hostile stories about the EU - and the journalist who set the tone was Boris Johnson. I know this because I was appointed Brussels correspondent of The Times in 1999, a few years after Johnson’s stint there for The Telegraph, and I had to live with the consequences. Johnson, sacked by The Times in 1988 for fabricating a quote, made his mark in Brussels not through fair and balanced reporting, but through extreme euro-scepticism. He seized every chance to mock or denigrate the EU, filing stories that were undoubtedly colourful but also grotesquely exaggerated or completely untrue. The Telegraph loved it. So did the Tory Right. Johnson later confessed: “Everything I wrote from Brussels, I found was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party, and it really gave me this I suppose rather weird sense of power." Johnson’s reports also had an amazing, explosive effect on the rest of Fleet Street. They were much more fun than the usual dry and rather complex Brussels fare. News editors on other papers, particularly but not exclusively the tabloids, started pressing their own correspondents to match them. By the time I arrived in Brussels editors only wanted stories about faceless Brussels eurocrats imposing absurd rules on Britain, or scheming Europeans ganging up on us, or British prime ministers fighting plucky rearguard actions against a hostile continent. Much of Fleet Street seemed unable to view the EU through any other prism. It was the only narrative it was interested in. Stories that did not bash Brussels, stories that acknowledged the EU’s many achievements, stories that recognised that Britain had many natural allies in Europe and often won important arguments, almost invariably ended up on the spike. Boris Johnson is now campaigning against the cartoon caricature of the EU that he himself created. He is campaigning against a largely fictional EU that bears no relation to reality. That is why he and his fellow Brexiteers could win next week. Johnson may be witty and amusing, just as Donald Rumsfeld was in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, but he is extremely dangerous. What began as a bit of a jape could inflict terrible damage on this country. Fight back!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You didn't put an argument forward. You put forward your usual insane, paranoid BritNat ramblings about undefinable and unexplained *things* that are being done to you by the EU. You even stated yourself you have an "obsessive" hatred of the institution. I must say you're doing a masterful job in making Brexiters look like nutcases who hate the EU without actually knowing why, though. Keep it up. So they don't have any say in how we conduct our affairs? You come across as someone who is obsessed with the ruling masters down south, pot, kettle, keep that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 So they don't have any say in how we conduct our affairs? You come across as someone who is obsessed with the ruling masters down south, pot, kettle, keep that up. You've been asked repeatedly which "affairs" you conduct have been negatively impacted (or impacted at all) by the EU. You've pretty much stated you've no idea, but have an "obsessive hatred" of the institution anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You've been asked repeatedly which "affairs" you conduct have been negatively impacted (or impacted at all) by the EU. You've pretty much stated you've no idea, but have an "obsessive hatred" of the institution anyway. You're rambling now, have a lie down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You're rambling now, have a lie down. Still desperately avoiding the question? Which EU laws are having or have had a detrimental effect on your affairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Still desperately avoiding the question? Which EU laws are having or have had a detrimental effect on your affairs? I'm not going to look up every EU law to appease some no-mark on a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm not going to look up every EU law to appease some no-mark on a football forum. I'll take that as a "dunno, probably none, but they're made by foreigners and that's reason enough to obsessively hate them." 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'll take that as a "dunno, probably none, but they're made by foreigners and that's reason enough to obsessively hate them." Pandarilla hates the EU too, don't see you having a go at him, is it because you are selective on who you pick on? Do you hate Westminster? How about Rangers fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Pandarilla hates the EU too, don't see you having a go at him, is it because you are selective on who you pick on? Do you hate Westminster? How about Rangers fans? I don't think pandarilla has stated he "obsessively hates" the EU without being unable (or unwilling) to explain why. I don't hate Westminster - I have quite a lot of respect for it as England's historical parliament. I do think Scotland as a nation would be better governing itself rather than being a minor voice in a lopsided UK-wide Westminster parliament, though - as I can see the direct negative impact Westminster policies have had on industry, housing, welfare and equality in recent decades (something you don't seem to see in EU policies, given you don't appear to know which areas they've affected or which policies it is you even dislike). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum_gers Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm not going to look up every EU law to appease some no-mark on a football forum. It might help your argument if you knew one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It might help your argument if you knew one. Do you hate Rangers too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just put a wee bet on turnout being low, between 55.1% and 60% at 16/1, theory being quite a lot of people will not know the issues well enough to make up their minds and will quite rightfully stay at home. Not sure who that would damage more if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I don't think pandarilla has stated he "obsessively hates" the EU without being unable (or unwilling) to explain why. I don't hate Westminster - I have quite a lot of respect for it as England's historical parliament. I do think Scotland as a nation would be better governing itself rather than being a minor voice in a lopsided UK-wide Westminster parliament, though - as I can see the direct negative impact Westminster policies have had on industry, housing, welfare and equality in recent decades (something you don't seem to see in EU policies, given you don't appear to know which areas they've affected or which policies it is you even dislike). I said I hated the EU and it might be obsessive, at least I was being honest. The fact we have to send them money to be in the club and then they give us some back and they dictate how we spend it annoys me. I have said this before and you and the others know fine well the EU sets some of our laws and whether it affects me or not isn't the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm not going to look up every EU law to appease some no-mark on a football forum. If it wasn't for certain newspapers, Tories and UKIPpers complaining would you even be aware of the existence of the EU in your daily life? I genuinely don't think I would. To then jump to obsessively hating them in your words seems illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm not going to look up every EU law to appease some no-mark on a football forum.Don't look anything up. Give us one thing off the top of your head where the EU affects your day to day life. No deflection, no petty name calling. Just one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 He doesn't like his bananas so straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Another good site and blog: https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/eight-reasons-scotland-is-more-remain-and-what-will-happen-if-its-dragged-out There are a few other good articles on their site but this one in particular talks about what might happen if Scotland vote remain and the rest of the UK don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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