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Who are today's great statesmen and women?


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Cameron is a bigger statesman than Salmond.

Cameron had the last election almost set up for him to win. Labour leader a laughing stock, lib dems in freefall, and the kippers were screwed (am i allowed to say effed?) over by fptp. The SNP also destroyed Labour strongholds. I bet every single person in my small english, home counties town regrets voting for him in droves  

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It's sport, not political ideology. In team sports you're dividing people up. I happily supported my school team over another school team, my town team over other town teams. There are many ways to divide people up for sport. I don't have strong opinions on the different methods used to divide people into teams. Not being a nationalist politically doesn't rule me out of being able to enjoy international football, Ryder Cup golf or watching the British & Irish Lions.

Oh so you do divide people along national lines then and group people together?

Who would have thunk you were talking out of your arse when you used, repeatedly, these two farcical statements to justify your hysterical opposition to self-governance for Scotland.

Turns out you were talking utter shite, well colour me astonished.

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Cameron had the last election almost set up for him to win. Labour leader a laughing stock, lib dems in freefall, and the kippers were screwed (am i allowed to say effed?) over by fptp. The SNP also destroyed Labour strongholds. I bet every single person in my small english, home counties town regrets voting for him in droves  

 

Would disagree that the Kippers were screwed over by FPTP was the sum total of their problems - their main problem was they took for granted they were going to retain the two seats they had, spent too much time preaching to the converted instead of trying to win over the undecided (of which there were plenty for the taking), & failed to concentrate resources on those handful of seats they had a realistic chance of winning.

 

There was also the fact those places they'd done well in during the series of by-elections they finished second were more or less abandoned afterwards - little or no effort was made to establish branches in their wake. It's the same mistakes the old National Front, the SNP & the SDP all made back in the 70s/80s of trying to cut corners by being flash by-election parties & believing somehow branches would naturally "emerge" from six or whatever weeks of campaigning. They never do.

 

Finally, one major UKIP chicken came home to roost in their manifesto: in particular Farage & co's insistence on taking "off the shelf" policies produced by think tanks that specialise in detecting popular political "trends" & not bothering to see what his members wanted (he still seems to think his members are all laissez faire Tories), which deterred some from bothering to do anything above donating money, especially in the north of England.

 

UKIP are brilliant at raising money from members, but when it comes to getting members to be activists, they're often found wanting. Indeed, they've more success getting local members to campaign in council elections than Parliamentary seats precisely because they're more allowed to do their own thing in order to comply with local issues.

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Owned, your fatuous lies exposed for the shite they are.

You aren't so opposed to 'grouping people together' and 'dividing people along national lines' when it isn't Scottish independence being discussed it seems. Shocked.

More drivel.
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Yeah, you'll need to find some new lies from now on to justify your hysterical opposition to self-governance for Scotland and mask the fact you're a raging Britnat in future champ.

You've been rumbled.

See just on self-governance.

Didn't you say on Misc Football that you think Gibraltar should be given to Spain, despite the contrary views of the people of Gibraltar?

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