Fotbawmad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Sturgeon is a far more effective politician that I ever could have imagined, she filled an important vacumn that I thought would have existed after Salmond's resignation post the referendum defeat. She was undoubtedly the outright winner in the Leaders' debates prior to the last GE and was a significant contributor to the SNP's election walkover. Stateswoman? I don't think she's earned that title yet but maybe down the line. Right now she has an easy ride, because everything is going her way and has no credible opposition to deal with. However, she has shown to be an opportunistic politician, which might cost her down the line. When times get tough and she can't deflect blame away from herself. We'll see how effective she really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Right now she has an easy ride, because everything is going her way and has no credible opposition to deal with. However, she has shown to be an opportunistic politician, which might cost her down the line. When times get tough and she can't deflect blame away from herself. We'll see how effective she really is. What she needs is a jolly good war, or something seriously unpopular, and see how she handles that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Agree that Sturgeon hasn't been tested anywhere near as much as she could be but like Celtic or whoever else, she can only beat the dross that's put in front of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Birgitte Nyborg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Greek politician Eva Kaili. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 You can't call sturgeon or any Scottish fm a statesman/woman till they lead a state. They are not actors and have no voice on the world stage. I think sturgeon couldbe an eexcellent one but at this stage you can't describe her as a stateswoman in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 You can't call sturgeon or any Scottish fm a statesman/woman till they lead a state. They are not actors and have no voice on the world stage. I think sturgeon couldbe an eexcellent one but at this stage you can't describe her as a stateswoman in any way. A fair point I suppose (altho you could be fishing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 A fair point I suppose (altho you could be fishing). I'm not fishing, I love sturgeon but she can't be called a stateswomanIm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm not fishing, I love sturgeon but she can't be called a stateswomanIm So dae I but I'm no keen on caviar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm not fishing, I love sturgeon but she can't be called a stateswomanIm The U.K.: where people of Nicola Sturgeon's ability and popularity can't be considered statespeople (because they support statehood for an incorporated part of a state), but people like Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage and Hilary Benn can, because they support the right flag. Rule Britannia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 The U.K.: where people of Nicola Sturgeon's ability and popularity can't be considered statespeople (because they support statehood for an incorporated part of a state), but people like Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage and Hilary Benn can, because they support the right flag. Rule Britannia! I think you're misunderstanding me. Farage, clegg etc can't either as they don't and never have lead a state. It's an argument for independece and Scotland being a state. But until it is you can't really call any Scottish fm a statesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 I think you're misunderstanding me. Farage, clegg etc can't either as they don't and never have lead a state. It's an argument for independece and Scotland being a state. But until it is you can't really call any Scottish fm a statesman. I know - I was being ironic. 😉 Of course it's a ridiculous situation. And even more condescending is the claim I've seen that Sturgeon, Salmond (even Davidson) are good enough to lead UK parties. The implication is that Scotland is a wee jokey northern outpost, and its competent politicians should really have their talents realised by playing a part in the big leagues, not the pretendy parliament in the sticks - sorry, the "powerhouse parliament" in charge of road signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I know - I was being ironic. Of course it's a ridiculous situation. And even more condescending is the claim I've seen that Sturgeon, Salmond (even Davidson) are good enough to lead UK parties. The implication is that Scotland is a wee jokey northern outpost, and its competent politicians should really have their talents realised by playing a part in the big leagues, not the pretendy parliament in the sticks - sorry, the "powerhouse parliament" in charge of road signs. sorry that's absolutely how britnzts see Holywood(bbow I think we all pronounce that wrong surely it'sholy as Iin religious) as the toy or pretend parliament. They've viewed it with contempt from day one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 It's hard to see modern politicians as anything more than jumped up office boys and girls, because that's all they've done, straight from University. Back in the day Dennis Healy organised a beach landing in Normandy before he launched his political career. (bitter old man from Inverness speaking) Merkel probably fitted the bill best before her brain haemorrhage over the refugee crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Jose Mujica of Uruguay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hugo Chavez is the greatest stateman of the 21st century so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Sturgeon is a far more effective politician that I ever could have imagined, she filled an important vacumn that I thought would have existed after Salmond's resignation post the referendum defeat. She was undoubtedly the outright winner in the Leaders' debates prior to the last GE and was a significant contributor to the SNP's election walkover. Stateswoman? I don't think she's earned that title yet but maybe down the line. She's done wonderfully well, imho, but I wouldn't class her as a stateswoman either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 The U.K.: where people of Nicola Sturgeon's ability and popularity can't be considered statespeople (because they support statehood for an incorporated part of a state), but people like Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage and Hilary Benn can, because they support the right flag. Rule Britannia! Who in their right mind would consider any of them a "statesman"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Who in their right mind would consider any of them a "statesman"?They aren't and nobody does. It's imagined gibberish. More 'poor us' mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 They aren't and nobody does. It's imagined gibberish. More 'poor us' mentality. I don't understand your point. Who classes these people as Statesmen and why does doing so equal a 'poor us' mentality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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