TheScarf Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 On 8/9/2016 at 20:52, kenny131 said: Not a bad post for a change, Wales, NI, to an extent ROI in certain games took the bull by the horns and just went for it with no fear and they qualified however 1 thing each of those teams had was a coach who completely believed in his team and was not afraid to say it either win lose or draw. Strachan has totally let his players down with his down beat attitude and belittling of our players being too wee or not having a Bale. That can't be good for morale and team cohesion which is paramount to succeed at international football That was the difference in the qualifying campaign for me. Strachan saw games against Germany as 'free hits' or 'write offs', however you want to dress it up, South Ireland in particular were the opposite and thought 'f**k this, we're beating these gimps'. A polar opposite in mind sets, and one that got them to France. Coupled with being set up to win games, and having self-confidence instilled in them by MON and Roy Keane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Rhodes looks like he's going to be a squad player for Boro this season. Think he would be better off going back to the Championship and getting game time. Can't see him making the squad for Malta if he's on the bench every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Rhodes looks like he's going to be a squad player for Boro this season. Think he would be better off going back to the Championship and getting game time. Can't see him making the squad for Malta if he's on the bench every week. Whats point in going back down to championship? Strachan wouldn't even let him in the squad for pointless friendlies despite scoring plenty of goals. He will be ignored regardless of form or achievements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 1 minute ago, dogmc said: Whats point in going back down to championship? Strachan wouldn't even let him in the squad for pointless friendlies despite scoring plenty of goals. He will be ignored regardless of form or achievements Because even if his chances are, say, 10% if he's playing regularly and scoring in the Championship, I'd wager they'd be less while not playing in the Premiership. If Strachan continues to play relying on a forward who isn't seen as the focal point and has to be efficient getting players behind him into the game, then it doesn't really matter where he's playing, he's unlikely to be picked. However, if Rhodes goes somewhere and proves that he can do that effectively, or if Strachan decides that he's going to play in a way that suits his strengths better, then he has a chance. Which is why if he doesn't see himself getting much game time, then a loan move would be better for him. Or perhaps he's happy enough to pick up a wage not really doing much on the off chance he'll get a few minutes here and there. I don't know the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Because even if his chances are, say, 10% if he's playing regularly and scoring in the Championship, I'd wager they'd be less while not playing in the Premiership. If Strachan continues to play relying on a forward who isn't seen as the focal point and has to be efficient getting players behind him into the game, then it doesn't really matter where he's playing, he's unlikely to be picked. However, if Rhodes goes somewhere and proves that he can do that effectively, or if Strachan decides that he's going to play in a way that suits his strengths better, then he has a chance. Which is why if he doesn't see himself getting much game time, then a loan move would be better for him. Or perhaps he's happy enough to pick up a wage not really doing much on the off chance he'll get a few minutes here and there. I don't know the guy. Perfect summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I feel a bit sorry for Rhodes because he's looked good when he's had game time and if Negredo hadn't come in then he probably would've done quite well in the team. Unfortunately for him Negredo looks a great player and will undoubtedly be starting every game he's fit for in the EPL, as he just fits how Boro play perfectly. I think Rhodes might get a chance against Fulham in the League Cup, and hopefully he takes it and puts pressure on Karanka to start him in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 That was the difference in the qualifying campaign for me. Strachan saw games against Germany as 'free hits' or 'write offs', however you want to dress it up, South Ireland in particular were the opposite and thought 'f**k this, we're beating these gimps'. A polar opposite in mind sets, and one that got them to France. Coupled with being set up to win games, and having self-confidence instilled in them by MON and Roy Keane. Obvious troll is obvious.Ireland scored less goals than us against Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said: Obvious troll is obvious. Ireland scored less goals than us against Germany Of course, goals scored and more important than points won aren't they........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Of course, goals scored and more important than points won aren't they........ OK then tell me how they 'set up to win' Was it by giving Germany even more possession than we did? By allowing Germany 20 odd efforts at goal? Or do you mean they targeted Boateng with goal kicks because they knew that was a weakness in their side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 21 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said: OK then tell me how they 'set up to win' Was it by giving Germany even more possession than we did? By allowing Germany 20 odd efforts at goal? Or do you mean they targeted Boateng with goal kicks because they knew that was a weakness in their side? By playing with a confidence instilled in them that they can beat Germany. A late goal in each game showing they didn't give up. These lads looked like they wanted to win and they qualified comfortably for the play offs with a game to spare, whilst Scotland were huffing and puffing to 4th place, the last game a glorified friendly against a pub team. South Ireland got the job done. The styles between Scotland and South Ireland were polar opposites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 By playing with a confidence instilled in them that they can beat Germany. A late goal in each game showing they didn't give up. These lads looked like they wanted to win and they qualified comfortably for the play offs with a game to spare, whilst Scotland were huffing and puffing to 4th place, the last game a glorified friendly against a pub team. South Ireland got the job done. The styles between Scotland and South Ireland were polar opposites. Funny as f**k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Just now, 1320Lichtie said: Funny as f**k At last you agree with me now. It's taken you long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 By playing with a confidence instilled in them that they can beat Germany. A late goal in each game showing they didn't give up. These lads looked like they wanted to win and they qualified comfortably for the play offs with a game to spare, whilst Scotland were huffing and puffing to 4th place, the last game a glorified friendly against a pub team. South Ireland got the job done. The styles between Scotland and South Ireland were polar opposites. Do you remember we actually played against Ireland? Anyway I'm not going to argue with you, you're either a troll or a simpleton, I don't really care to find out which Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 23 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said: Do you remember we actually played against Ireland? Anyway I'm not going to argue with you, you're either a troll or a simpleton, I don't really care to find out which Was that the team with a worse squad of players than Scotland but finished comfortably above them with a game to spare? You're blatantly one of these 'well we beat them on head to head so we must be better than them' type of people. Football doesn't work like that I'm afraid m-eight. No surprise to see you use this logic, given you're posting style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 You said they looked like they wanted to win and we didn't. I think that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read, considering I watched us beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Anyway, you do you. It's a nonsense argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, MarkoRaj said: You said they looked like they wanted to win and we didn't. I think that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read, considering I watched us beat them I was referencing the Germany games. Jesus, you're having a disaster here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, MarkoRaj said: You said they looked like they wanted to win and we didn't. I think that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read, considering I watched us beat them He isn't talking about the Southern Ireland game, but even if he was, it would aid his argument further still, because despite being a better team than them, and based on results also equal to Poland, they both comfortably progressed while we did not. The obvious reference made to 'free hits', is a perfect summation of the outlook to such games like Germany, with no clear focus on what to do to get a result. Turn up, and hope for the best.....it shows. Everyone else sees three points; we're just there for the banter, and a jersey for the wall judging some of our displays against bigger and better teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 The wonderful thing about the "wanting to win" argument is that it's effectively unable to be proved. That way it can be trotted out to suit arguments about how awful we are, or mainly how awful Strachan is. Because, I mean, Ireland beat Germany when they weren't expected to, and we didn't, so obviously they wanted to win and we didn't. It couldn't possibly be that we wanted to as well, but just weren't up to it. I must have imagined us coming from behind (twice) against the World Champions, particularly after a result that, at that point in particular, looked like it would completely sink our entire campaign. But aye, we just didn't want to win. It's all Strachan's fault. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I wouldn't say it's all his fault, but he's the main reason. I'd say about 80% of it. Glad you agree with the majority on here on that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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