geo87 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 He has all the physical attributes but has very limited ability! I think he's at his right level just now. Maybe I'm being harsh and he would be better in a more organised defence but can't see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Left back and centre mid apparently already signed, hardier and Walsh def leaving. Hopefully still looking for another striker / wide midfielder too.SMISA Money also been voted to be used towards players, and no more JD sports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Yeah, Callum Watters being the left back we're awaiting word from today on agreeing to sign apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Don't know much about him. After the Summer of 'Beath, I'm always wary when managers raid their former clubs. But... bearing in mind the market we are in, the position we are in, and the fact Ross will want a player he absolutely knows, then I guess it makes sense. As long as he's good (enough). I'd be interested to know if he's on a contract, mind? Can't imagine us paying a fee. Unless Goodwin will let him move on, knowing he's next in line for the Saints job anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Do we know who the centre mid is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Watters looked an ok player with us at this level last year. He didn't get a good run at it in all honesty, was very much in and out the squad, spending the majority of his time on the bench. I was never convinced with him at left back but thought he looked decent at left mid. By all accounts he seems to have been a revelation at Alloa so I suppose his indifferent performances at Dumbarton are most likely down to lack of game time rather than struggling at this level but I suppose we wont know until he makes the move.Good luck to him if he goes for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Im assuming Watters will only be a backup to Irvine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Im assuming Watters will only be a backup to Irvine. I highly doubt he'll leave first team football at Alloa to be backup to shite like Irvine tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Im assuming Watters will only be a backup to Irvine. Waters will go straight in at left back, far better option than Irvine. Its also looking very likely that Naismith will leave, could happen sooner than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Waters will go straight in at left back, far better option than Irvine. Its also looking very likely that Naismith will leave, could happen sooner than you think. Any sort of fee being banded about? Is this to Ross County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It's Waters btw, not Watters. It's also Calum with one 'L'. A nightmare when it comes to remembering spelling! He was a player I quite liked in his limited game time with us, but as BBPF says not really at left-back. I could see him becoming a very good wing-back or even winger but he wasn't the most solid in an outright defensive role. He's quick, decent on the ball and has a superb, whipped delivery on him. He took a couple of smashing corners for us, and almost always put a good delivery into the box. He's just not the best defensively - turned quite easily and dragged out of position. FWIW I reckon him with a slower left-back behind him (Irvine for example) or at LWB in a 3-5-2 could be quite effective. I wanted us to sign him permanently in the summer because he could play anywhere on the left, but I reckon he needed a team where he would be guaranteed first time football. Fair play to him for taking his chance and earning a pretty decent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, McG said: Waters will go straight in at left back, far better option than Irvine. Its also looking very likely that Naismith will leave, could happen sooner than you think. So Irvine across to RB, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Sonsteam of 08 said: It's Waters btw, not Watters. It's also Calum with one 'L'. A nightmare when it comes to remembering spelling! He was a player I quite liked in his limited game time with us, but as BBPF says not really at left-back. I could see him becoming a very good wing-back or even winger but he wasn't the most solid in an outright defensive role. He's quick, decent on the ball and has a superb, whipped delivery on him. He took a couple of smashing corners for us, and almost always put a good delivery into the box. He's just not the best defensively - turned quite easily and dragged out of position. FWIW I reckon him with a slower left-back behind him (Irvine for example) or at LWB in a 3-5-2 could be quite effective. I wanted us to sign him permanently in the summer because he could play anywhere on the left, but I reckon he needed a team where he would be guaranteed first time football. Fair play to him for taking his chance and earning a pretty decent move. Sounds like exactly what we don't need, we have Lewis Morgan to play left wing who is a proper winger what we need it a left back who can actually defend. I actually think Irvine has been fine, he's made a few mistake and had a couple of bad games but so has everyone in the team this year and he's been far from the worst, most Saints fans don't seem to rate him though. I wonder if Waters is being brought in as backup to both of them if he can play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Coventry Saint said: So Irvine across to RB, then? Can he play right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 28 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Can he play right back? Never seen it myself, but I'm sure Dundee fans said he was more convincing there. I don't think I dreamt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sounds like exactly what we don't need, we have Lewis Morgan to play left wing who is a proper winger what we need it a left back who can actually defend. I actually think Irvine has been fine, he's made a few mistake and had a couple of bad games but so has everyone in the team this year and he's been far from the worst, most Saints fans don't seem to rate him though. I wonder if Waters is being brought in as backup to both of them if he can play either. He's on decent money at Alloa and went there because he wanted games.He will not go to St Mirren for slightly more money than he's currently on to play 2nd fiddle. If he's being brought in, he's being brought in to go straight into your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 43 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Sounds like exactly what we don't need, we have Lewis Morgan to play left wing who is a proper winger what we need it a left back who can actually defend. I actually think Irvine has been fine, he's made a few mistake and had a couple of bad games but so has everyone in the team this year and he's been far from the worst, most Saints fans don't seem to rate him though. I wonder if Waters is being brought in as backup to both of them if he can play either. To be fair, he's only 20 and is now the market we're operating in. Young guys who we can mould into being stable first team players for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Craig Storie is the midfielder we're apparently after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Sonsteam of 08 said: It's Waters btw, not Watters. It's also Calum with one 'L'. A nightmare when it comes to remembering spelling! He was a player I quite liked in his limited game time with us, but as BBPF says not really at left-back. I could see him becoming a very good wing-back or even winger but he wasn't the most solid in an outright defensive role. He's quick, decent on the ball and has a superb, whipped delivery on him. He took a couple of smashing corners for us, and almost always put a good delivery into the box. He's just not the best defensively - turned quite easily and dragged out of position. FWIW I reckon him with a slower left-back behind him (Irvine for example) or at LWB in a 3-5-2 could be quite effective. I wanted us to sign him permanently in the summer because he could play anywhere on the left, but I reckon he needed a team where he would be guaranteed first time football. Fair play to him for taking his chance and earning a pretty decent move. I wouldn't worry too much about that. He has been sound defensively all season and impressive at LB against top flight opposition in Ross County, ICT and indeed Celtic away. In what is a recurring theme, it would appear that Jack Ross was able to help him play better than previous managers had perhaps managed. Confidence is a big part of that. Obviously under contract at Alloa and it would be a real pain to have to replace him next month. As such, I'd imagine that decent compensation would be required if he is to go then rather than the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Wonder if sending Jordan Stewart on loan to Alloa could be part of the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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