dee_62 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Haven't seen this topic, so hopefully not a duplication. Have been hearing about the removal of the automatic red card for some instances of denying a clear goalscoring opportunity and wondered what other changes were coming into force - spotted this in the Guardian - an interview with former referee David Elleray “The new laws were approved and will be in force for the European Championships starting in June. Here is how the biggest revamp of the rules of football in 135 years could look, largely through Elleray’s explanations: Kick-off The current law says the ball must go forward at kick-off and players have to be in their own half. The rule is being changed to allow the ball to go in any direction at kick-off as long as it moves. Pre-match red cards Citing a row in the tunnel between Patrick Vieira and Roy Keane before an Arsenal-Manchester United match in 2005, Elleray highlighted how they could not have been sent off in the event of a full-scale fight. The laws were written at a time before it was customary for teams to line up next to each other in the tunnel before kick-off. In future referees will be able to punish red-card offences any time after the pre-match inspection. Elleray: “[Fighting players] would be banned from playing the match but both teams would still start with 11 because they would be able to use one of the named substitutes. They would lose a substitute.†Leaving the field after treatment Elleray: “If a player is injured from a challenge which is punished by a red or yellow card, he can have quick treatment on the field of play and does not have to leave. It always seemed unfair that the victim team was down to 10 men and the guilty team has 11 against 10.†Quick return Elleray: “If a player goes off to change his boots, at the moment he has to wait until the game is stopped and the referee has to go and check his boots before he can play again. Now we are saying his boots or whatever can be checked by the fourth official, the assistant referee even, and [the player can] come back during play.†Grabbing opponents Elleray: “Two players go off the field of play. One tries to get back on to play the ball and the other one grabs him off the field of play to stop him going back on. At the moment the referee gives a red or yellow card and restarts with a drop ball, which is clearly wrong. So we will be giving a free-kick on the touchline or the goal-line. If it is inside the penalty area, it can be a penalty kick.†Blocking goals Elleray: “If a [non-playing] substitute at the moment comes on and dives and stops the goal, it is an indirect free-kick.†And then there is the unlikely but not unforeseen situation in which a team physician comes on to the field during play. “If the doctor does it, it is a drop ball, which again is wrong for football. Their team benefits from breaking the law. So they will become direct free-kicks or penalty kicks.†Penalty shootouts Elleray: “If a player gets sent off during kicks from the penalty mark, the other team does not also go down to 10. So if it goes all the way through, the guilty team’s best player takes a second kick against the innocent team’s worst player.†In future both teams will be reduced to the same number of penalty-takers. Elleray: “We are trying to make sure the laws are fair and support the team that has been offended against and do not reward people for breaking the laws of the game.†Offside inconsistency Elleray: “Part of the law book says when players commit an offside offence you give a free-kick where the offence occurred. The other part of the law book says you give a free-kick where the player was when he was in the offside position. So a player can actually move 20 yards from being in an offside position … and it is only the moment he plays the ball that he is penalised. The law tells you to give the free-kick in two different places. “So, in future, the free-kick will always be given where he commits the offside offence, even if he is in his own half, because you cannot be in an offside position in your own half, but you can go back into your own half to commit an offside offence.†Logo loophole Club logos will be allowed on corner flags. Elleray: “It happens in the Premier League but is actually against the laws of the game.†Common sense Elleray: “We are encouraging referees to referee according to the spirit of the game and to use common sense. ... If you can play the game and there is a minor breach of the law, report it to the authorities and sort it out afterwards. Do not be too black and white in minor areas.†That means, for example, in the grass-roots game, not abandoning a match if one of the four corner flags is broken.†In addition, there are some changes to the throw in rule around using both hands to "throw" the ball - not one hand throwing and the other guiding!! Also, feinting during a penalty kick run up means no re-take and a yellow card, if a keeper moves off his line early - yellow card I believe that the IFAB at some point in the future will consider the awarding of a “penalty goal†to cover hand ball situations like Suarez in the last world cup v Ghana. I quite like the fact that you don't have to leave the pitch after treatment if your opponent was yellow or red carded for the challenge - always felt a bit unfair that one. Interesting to note that offside awards can now be made in your own half too!!! Fun and games during the Euros I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Elleray: “If a player gets sent off during kicks from the penalty mark, the other team does not also go down to 10. So if it goes all the way through, the guilty team’s best player takes a second kick against the innocent team’s worst player.†What? If the OP had quoted where he had lifted that from, we could laugh at the original press release which Elleray clearly had nothing to do with, and which that "quotation" is lifted. I have no idea what that sentence means. Actually about four of those don't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Agent Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Yes the penalty kick point makes no sense as written. As it is currently, it's unfair and is my biggest bugbear in the game. Team A get a man sent off so only have ten men, Team B should not have to also forego a man. The consequence for Team A would be that their weakest penalty taker, say their goalie, hits sooner in the shootout than Team B who managed to stay within the laws of the game. I thought that's where the comment above on penalties from the article was going but clearly it descended into nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Yep, think it's to do with the penalised team getting back to their strongest penalty taker quicker than the team at full strength. They are going to allow the full strength team remove their "weakest" player from the rota, ensuring the team with the sent off player don't have an unfair advantage should they be all square when the 11th penalty taker is due to step up. ETA link from original article. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/08/kickoffs-backwards-rule-changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Is "the biggest revamp of the rules of football in 135 years" part of the Guardian article, or the OP being sarcastic? If the former, to suggest these represent the biggest shake-up of football rules since the early 1880s is utterly ludicrous. Most are so technical or rare most fans will never notice. Not having to tap it forward at kick-off, not having to get the referee specifically to check the new boots of a player already on the pitch, and allowing crests on corner flags, are tidying-up exercises. Violent conduct before kick-off, non-players rushing on and playing the ball, and red cards during penalty shoot-outs, are almost unheard of. Only the right of a player receiving treatment after a bookable offence to rejoin play immediately constitutes anything of material consequence. Interestingly the offside tweak could be help time-waste? Blast it upfield while blatantly offside, striker only touches it once as far forward as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The penalty goal thing is a good idea IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Is "the biggest revamp of the rules of football in 135 years" part of the Guardian article, or the OP being sarcastic? If the former, to suggest these represent the biggest shake-up of football rules since the early 1880s is utterly ludicrous. Interestingly the offside tweak could be help time-waste? Blast it upfield while blatantly offside, striker only touches it once as far forward as possible. All parts within the original quote marks are from the article. Agree re the time wasting at offside. I'm not in favour of the wait-until-he-touches-it rule - seen a few injuries where the attacker gets knocked by the keeper or clash of heads, only for the linesman to flag for an offside decision that could have been made as soon as he started getting close to the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Interestingly the offside tweak could be help time-waste? Blast it upfield while blatantly offside, striker only touches it once as far forward as possible. I thought that, stand offside, blooter it towards said player, player stands and looks at the ball without touching it then as soon as a defender or a keeper comes anywhere near, touch the ball. In this scenario, would a forward be able to stand and wait for the keeper or defender to touch the ball and then try and tackle them after that? It seems a bit strange to me and entirely un-necessary, its rife for exploitation by time wasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I thought the biggest upcoming change was the downgrading from red to yellow card for denying clear goalscoring opportunity in the penalty area where some attempt to play the ball has been made, no mention of that there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinclair Street Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 As long as they still allow defenders to grab strikers shirts firmly with both hands before corners are taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 I thought the biggest upcoming change was the downgrading from red to yellow card for denying clear goalscoring opportunity in the penalty area where some attempt to play the ball has been made, no mention of that there.Not sure why that isn't referenced but that article was published in January, so maybe they were going for the more obscure changes and just to muddy the waters, it's not even every denying of a clear goalscoring opportunity offence that is downgraded. Some will still be a red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Not sure why that isn't referenced but that article was published in January, so maybe they were going for the more obscure changes and just to muddy the waters, it's not even every offence that is downgraded. Some will still be a red card. Yeah, that's what I said I think as long as there's an attempt to play the ball and it isn't a wrestle to the ground, shirt pull, or a blatant hack from behind it'll be a yellow- example (because of lols) is Balatoni's disastrous backpass vs ICT the other week, if that had been next season it would only have been a yellow for the Killie keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Yeah, that's what I said I think as long as there's an attempt to play the ball and it isn't a wrestle to the ground, shirt pull, or a blatant hack from behind it'll be a yellow- example (because of lols) is Balatoni's disastrous backpass vs ICT the other week, if that had been next season it would only have been a yellow for the Killie keeper. Oops! Yep, you're right, it'll probably help goalies more than anyone - they generally make an attempt to play the ball when they dive at the attackers' feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Match of the Day Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The one rule they should change is the away goal as a goal is a goal no matter were its scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The one rule they should change is the away goal as a goal is a goal no matter were its scored Not enough use of the word goal IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Thank god they are stamping out off the field grabbing. Seems like every game I watch these days has someone being manhandled at the side of the pitch to stop them getting back on and they only get a drop ball? Finally someone has seen sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city_gord Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Will the new kick off rule see the end of two players taking it? I always thought that was to keep possession as the ball had to be played forward. Could it be the case now that just one player needs to be at the centre spot and can pass it back into his own half to a teammate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Elleray: “If a player gets sent off during kicks from the penalty mark, the other team does not also go down to 10. So if it goes all the way through, the guilty team’s best player takes a second kick against the innocent team’s worst player.†What? Under the current rules, if a player is sent off during a penalty shootout, then that player will take no further part in the shootout. If that shootout continues until the 11th penalty kick, then the team with the extra player will still have their worst penalty kick taker (probably their goalkeeper) left to take a penalty, while everyone in the team who had a man sent off will have taken one. The team with the man less will therefore be able to put their best taker on to the 11th kick. Under the new rules, as soon as that player is sent off, the opposing side will also be able to remove any player of their choice from the shootout to equalise things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Has a player ever been sent off during a penalty shoot out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Will the new kick off rule see the end of two players taking it? I always thought that was to keep possession as the ball had to be played forward. Could it be the case now that just one player needs to be at the centre spot and can pass it back into his own half to a teammate? Going by that it looks like you could punt it back to the keeper if you wanted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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