Ad Lib Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) As mentioned earlier, StandFree nailed it in another thread. The guy has pretty bad personal problems and really needs the site. It's not very nice to witness. You really haven't the first clue. Your sad little passive aggressive vandetta on this site for years hasn't become any less pathetic with time. ETA: forgot the sweary filter changes that in honour of Stuart Dickson. Those were truly happier times. With televisions in every room of the house and everything... Edited May 18, 2016 by Ad Lib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 StandFree nailed it in another thread That isn't humanly possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Mike Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I wouldn't say it was shite. Assaults, domestic abuse, stabbings etc go up pretty sharply after OF game .. There are some fans that really hate each other; add booze and trouble erupts. This is a legacy issue, like the wee guy who walks with his dad in the orange walk wearing sevco tops.. or the lads in pubs before singing rebel songs I'm not sure how much of this you can attribute to sectarian feelings vs general sports hate that's still going to exist between hardcore Rangers and Celtic fans in some future fantasy world where Scottish government legislation has eliminated sectarianism. I live in a town with a major US college football team. Whenever we play a rival game, especially if it's at night, there's a huge increase in violent assaults. Even occasionally shootings and stabbings. That's just the culture of certain sports rivalries. I'm not sure that's going to change with the OF, even if legislation could eliminate religious bigotry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 To be fair you are all as bad as each other. Behaving like animals on here. No point debating with you. Backed you a couple of times on forum but you really are an angry man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm enjoying the Brit Nats sudden concern for 'OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES1!11' I'm sure they have been just as vocal during the imposition of far more intrusive legislation by New Labour and the Tories who you wish us to be governed by...where do you even start? Could it be, and hold onto your seats here, that this is just another case of SNPBAD? As someone who sees the practical implication of this law in courts on a daily basis I must say there is some amount of shite being spouted on this thread and I'm only on page 20. It is not particularly good law in my view. There is already a mechanism whereby offences such as assault and breach of the peace can have religious, racial or sexual aggravations attached to the end of the charge. Someone has suggested otherwise but even without this act there would be nothing at all stopping the police arresting someone singing a sectarian song for a section 38 breach of the peace with a religious aggravation in connection to a football match or completely independently of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm enjoying the Brit Nats sudden concern for 'OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES1!11' I'm sure they have been just as vocal during the imposition of far more intrusive legislation by New Labour and the Tories who you wish us to be governed by...where do you even start? Could it be, and hold onto your seats here, that this is just another case of SNPBAD? As someone who sees the practical implication of this law in courts on a daily basis I must say there is some amount of shite being spouted on this thread and I'm only on page 20. It is not particularly good law in my view. There is already a mechanism whereby offences such as assault and breach of the peace can have religious, racial or sexual aggravations attached to the end of the charge. Someone has suggested otherwise but even without this act there would be nothing at all stopping the police arresting someone singing a sectarian song for a section 38 breach of the peace with a religious aggravation in connection to a football match or completely independently of it. Lib Dems have been very vocal about Labour and Tory civil liberties records tbf. Re s38 I don't think it does follow that a charge of that kind would stick for all instances of singing sectarian songs. The mere act of singing it (whether or not at a football match) doesn't necessarily constitute threatening or abusive behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Lib Dems have been very vocal about Labour and Tory civil liberties records tbf. Aye, mostly whining that the let the pooves marry each other of late. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 TheTheRangers don't like it therefore it's sectarian. I am looking forward to the conclusive evidence of a bit of abbreviated graffiti on a wall in the Republic of Ireland (North) conclusively proving Tory's case* *that he is an absolute throbber They don't. They don't go in for that sort of thing in Donegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Ad Lib cares not a jot for other people's/bodies definition of things. His definition is always right; even when it's wrong. Ad Lib's a woman? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) So this thread, like so many, is now a Lib Dem candidate (Ad Lib) everyone hates alongside a horde of outraged anonymous union jack avatars, furiously arguing against anyone who dares to think slightly differently from them. In this case, it's anyone who thinks any Act designed to stop the OF sectarianism is an okay idea. A microcosm of the Scottish Parliament. Edited May 19, 2016 by HaikuHibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 So this thread, like so many, is now a Lib Dem candidate (Ad Lib) everyone hates alongside a horde of outraged anonymous union jack avatars, furiously arguing against anyone who dares to think slightly differently from them. In this case, it's anyone who thinks any Act designed to stop the OF sectarianism is an okay idea. A microcosm of the Scottish Parliament. You really do talk some shite. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Going to be some seethe when this bill doesnt get voted down 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm amazed how the likes of yourself are so knowledgable about the historical concerns and opinions of posters on here.... Yeah Rule Brittania types like yourself are never done standing up for people's civil liberties. I bet you wrote a strongly worded letter to David Cameron about the new snooping laws and the existence of Guantanamo Bay probably keeps you awake at night 😂 thanks for playing anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) The boys as thick as mince. "ChlamydiaKid". Truly, the pleasure's all mine. Giant among men. Edited May 19, 2016 by HaikuHibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Lib Dems have been very vocal about Labour and Tory civil liberties records tbf. Re s38 I don't think it does follow that a charge of that kind would stick for all instances of singing sectarian songs. The mere act of singing it (whether or not at a football match) doesn't necessarily constitute threatening or abusive behaviour. In fairness to you Ad Lib, yes the Lib Dems have. Section 38 is pretty widely drafted as well and for many Sheriffs the threshold is very low. I'm struggling to think of a sectarian song which would not meet the 'threatening or abusive' element of the legislation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 In fairness to you Ad Lib, yes the Lib Dems have. Section 38 is pretty widely drafted as well and for many Sheriffs the threshold is very low. I'm struggling to think of a sectarian song which would not meet the 'threatening or abusive' element of the legislation. Ad Lib has gone back to his youth of being a tory,he has been hanging around tomkins to long 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 In fairness to you Ad Lib, yes the Lib Dems have. Section 38 is pretty widely drafted as well and for many Sheriffs the threshold is very low. I'm struggling to think of a sectarian song which would not meet the 'threatening or abusive' element of the legislation. I'm struggling to see how the singing of either the Billy Boys or The Sash, for example, would meet an objective standard of being threatening or abusive. Obviously very offensive songs, both of which glorify pretty horrible historic acts of violence, but they're not as such threatening or abusive. Clearly if you were to take the conduct of a crowd singing it in the round it *might* do, but if they meet the test of either threatening or of abusive then so does "the referee's a w****r" and "sit down shut up". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Ad Lib has gone back to his youth of being a tory,he has been hanging around tomkins to long Curious thesis but breathtakingly wrong. Adam and I agree on virtually nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 'We're up to our knees in ****** blood surrender or you'll die' is both threatening and abusive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Billy Boys- abusive because of the sectarian add on 'up to our knees'. The sash, ive never known anyone to be arrested for it. That isn't abusive. That's offensive, and it glorifies abuse. But it isn't abusive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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