CoF Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 46 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said: Would it? The last time he inherited Randolph, Hateley, Hammell, Craigan, Hutchinson, Reynolds (albeit for a month), Jennings, Lasley, Humphrey, Murphy and Sutton. We can only dream of that standard of player nowadays. I think I give him more credit when I look back at 2013 2014 where he took us to second with regular starts from Gunnar Neilson, Lee Hollis, Craig Reid, Simon Ramsden, Paul Lawson, Zaine Francis-Angol, Stuart Carswell and Fraser Kerr. Granted he still had a good core group with Faddy, Sutton, McManus, Hammell, Lasley and Hutchison but that season still feels like a kinda remarkable achievement. I always think McCall was pivotal to success that year as opposed to any luck with the squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) Just seen Liam Kelly's post match interview. He's definitely been crying, and looks like he's about to start again any second. He also doesn't know what "they had no right to be there" means. Edited December 5, 2023 by Al B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 End of the line stuff tonight - I thought Saturday was that but the late goal prolonged things by a game. The same logic that had St Johnstone and County make their move applies to us too. Nothing is irretrievable at this point and we would be better acting while that's still the case. Changing manager is needed now but the management structure at the club needs fixed too - those running the place are underperforming every bit as badly as the manager. We've gone from a stable club that were well run to a bit of a mess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I really feel for Kettlewell, he genuinely seems like a decent guy which really isn't a given for Scottish Premiership managers. I'd probably give him Saturday if I had any faith that he'd play a 5-3-2 with a left footed wingback and a midfield 3 of 3 midfielders but it feels like he's straying further away from that rather than closer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Al B said: Just seen Liam Kelly's post match interview. He's definitely been crying, and looks like he's about to start again any second. He also doesn't know what "they had no right to be there" means. Yeah, I'm guessing he either meant that the players didn't have the right to expect the fans to travel all that way to support them, or that the fans shouldn't have to go up there on a Tuesday. Either way, nice gesture to put himself out there and apologize, ruined by him not knowing what words mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 We have no right to go up to Dingwall and expect three points. However that was a “ sack the manager” performance from the team - SK is not getting a tune out of them anymore and it’s not going to change. If we keep him in place we will continue to lose game after game until he is sacked as he isn’t turning this around. I really didn’t want this for him as he seems like a very decent bloke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 34 minutes ago, Al B said: Just seen Liam Kelly's post match interview. He's definitely been crying, and looks like he's about to start again any second. He also doesn't know what "they had no right to be there" means. Is that not just a rerun of his Raith Rovers interview with the same dodgy phraseology. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) I feel really bad for Kettlerwell. (sp) for a Rangers fan who looks like he he irons his hair he seems a good guy and probably a very good coach. Hope you guys stay up. Edited December 6, 2023 by Hoose Rice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 We need to practice not ignoring wee guys at crosses, are we only looking up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWell Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) Serious questions need to be asked, and not only of the coaching staff. Fully expect Kettlewell to be away one way or another after that result, but have absolutely zero faith in those making the decisions at the club. Gave Hammell a job he wasn't qualified for, over more experienced options, because "he's a good Motherwell man". Still no sign of a permanent CEO, so absolutely no direction. Time for new ideas from the very top down imo. Edited December 6, 2023 by MurrayWell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonam Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 7 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: I really feel for Kettlewell, he genuinely seems like a decent guy which really isn't a given for Scottish Premiership managers. I'd probably give him Saturday if I had any faith that he'd play a 5-3-2 with a left footed wingback and a midfield 3 of 3 midfielders but it feels like he's straying further away from that rather than closer. Yeah, apparently he is a geniunely nice person and the players at County liked him. I wanted him to do really well when he left. He was a hard working, solid player as well and did a lot of good things at County. I was sad when he left tbh. Hope he stays and you beat St. Johnstone, then St. Mirren. Rangers too!! Really decent support Motherwell had last night, singing positively up until the 3rd goal. I expected negativity and there wasn't from what I could hear. Despite an off form Motherwell, there is no way they will be relegated or in the play offs. Your goaly isnae good tho! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I'm not even particularly pushing for Kettlewell to get sacked tbh. Even if we bin him and win on Saturday it's going to be a sticking plaster over a gaping wound and we'll be back in this position in about 6 months time. Not going to retread old ground but the club is a complete mess from top to bottom and I can't see any of it improving any time soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I'm not even particularly pushing for Kettlewell to get sacked tbh. Even if we bin him and win on Saturday it's going to be a sticking plaster over a gaping wound and we'll be back in this position in about 6 months time. Not going to retread old ground but the club is a complete mess from top to bottom and I can't see any of it improving any time soon. This. It’s pretty depressing tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, 18May1991 said: This. It’s pretty depressing tbh. I actually think we'll scramble to safety this year, maybe through the playoff, but even if so next year is relegation o'clock. On the other hand, maybe it's just my old age but I'm actually relatively calm about it. The goal of Society ownership is/was to secure the future of the club and it's done/doing that. We've had an insane run, which no one could expect, and if it's our turn to take a hit then so be it. In due course things will turn again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempes Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 13 hours ago, billyg said: Peter Dolan ? The very man. I didn’t want to name him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, btb said: From the outside - are we saying Kettlewell got lucky with Van Veen hitting a hot streak around the time of his appointment? Not really. Van Veen was scoring goals for Hammell and we were still 11th when he was emptied. There's a credible argument that Van Veen's 'hot streak' as you put it was a direct result of Kettlewell's management and him getting the best out of the player - that's not really getting lucky. Kettlewell benefitted from having one of the best strikers in the league available to him, sure but there's no getting away from the fact that Hammell's side was manifestly broken and he fixed it. He immediately improved us defensively, simplified our game tactically and we stopped shipping as many daft goals on top of that we started playing players in their correct positions rather than things like trying to play KVV as a winger - the irony that Kettlewell seems to have come full circle with an absolutely wild starting XI last night isn't lost on us. As I said the other day Kettlewell being the right guy for the job he was asked to do last season is very different to him being the right guy for the long term. Edited December 6, 2023 by capt_oats 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I was still on the fence re Kettlewell but he needs to go after last night. The team selection alone shows he's out of ideas and just flinging shite at the wall. That being said it now means that Kelly, O'Donnell, Slattery and Mugabi (all so called senior players) are now seeing their 3rd manager out the door with a few others on their 2nd. Whoever comes in HAS to have experience. Hammell was completely wrong and Kettlewell has now shown in his 2 managerial jobs that when plan A goes to shit, he's done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: I was still on the fence re Kettlewell but he needs to go after last night. The team selection alone shows he's out of ideas and just flinging shite at the wall. That being said it now means that Kelly, O'Donnell, Slattery and Mugabi (all so called senior players) are now seeing their 3rd manager out the door with a few others on their 2nd. Whoever comes in HAS to have experience. Hammell was completely wrong and Kettlewell has now shown in his 2 managerial jobs that when plan A goes to shit, he's done. 100% agree with all this. It looked like the manager was out of ideas last night, looked like the players have lost all confidence him in too. His language has also changed to shifting blame on to players. All signposts to a sacking I think. I'd maybe hold on to him if I had confidence in his recruitment ability. But I really lack his judgement on that and it doesn't seem like he has the contacts to bring anyone else outside the box to the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: I actually think we'll scramble to safety this year, maybe through the playoff, but even if so next year is relegation o'clock. On the other hand, maybe it's just my old age but I'm actually relatively calm about it. The goal of Society ownership is/was to secure the future of the club and it's done/doing that. We've had an insane run, which no one could expect, and if it's our turn to take a hit then so be it. In due course things will turn again. I think/hope you’re right about staying up. I’m with others on this though - in terms of the overall state of the club - it just feels rudderless and a bit of a shambles. That may be grossly unfair and I have no inside line on this whatsoever, just how it feels to me. Again may be unfair but when Burrows was running the show there was a lot of positivity and you felt like a part of the club, felt like you knew what was going on. That feeling seems to have disappeared. For me anyway. Which is a shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 After Saturday, people on here and in the press we’re at pains to stress how obvious it was that the dressing room was united and fully behind the manager. Hold our beers said the squad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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