well fan for life Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 13 hours ago, capt_oats said: This is a good piece from Nick McPheat. I mean we all knew this was the case already but it's still depressing to see it written down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I mean we all knew this was the case already but it's still depressing to see it written down. It's a digest of 3 months of tear stained stuff on The Thread that we've done to death - but it's useful for a wider audience to see it. I think the point that our recruitment on all fronts has been really poor for a while probably isn't widely appreciated - everyone just thinks of KVV and thinks we still do well on that front as we have in the past. It also doesn't hurt that the board feel a bit of heat too as there is still a misapprehension amongst folk that don't pay attention that we are the model town club, which to be fair we arguably were for a while. The current drift started when Burrows was still here but the current void where some leadership should be can't continue and is one of the main reasons that we are currently circling the drain... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Samuel Etoo heavily linked in the press. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_tony Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Richey Edwards said: Samuel Etoo heavily linked in the press. As CB cover? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, fat_tony said: As CB cover? Probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Swello said: It also doesn't hurt that the board feel a bit of heat too as there is still a misapprehension amongst folk that don't pay attention that we are the model town club, which to be fair we arguably were for a while. The current drift started when Burrows was still here but the current void where some leadership should be can't continue and is one of the main reasons that we are currently circling the drain... 100%. Drift is the key word there We've drifted from a period about 8/9 years ago, around Les Hutchison time, where we had 7 board members + a CEO to now having, I think, 3 board members and a part time interim CEO. I'd argue we were probably bloated around that time Les was in with all the sub committees etc but we've swung the other way completely. I don't doubt the passion of everyone that's left and fair play to them for actually trying to get on with it, but when it's all part time and unpaid work (which is fine and not that odd) it's just not enough bodies to enact meaningful change. We need someone in to steer the ship on a regular day to day basis pronto. Aiming at an experienced football club CEO type is probably hurting us as we can't pay the wages. So, we likely need to take a bit of a risk on that front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, eliphas said: We need someone in to steer the ship on a regular day to day basis pronto. Aiming at an experienced football club CEO type is probably hurting us as we can't pay the wages. So, we likely need to take a bit of a risk on that front. Agree totally. Continuing as is cannot be an option and the top dollar required for an established boss isn't happening either (not least because even if we were willing to pay the salary, they will ask for supporting staff/structures I cannot imagine us countenancing). So that leaves gambling on an up and comer, initially on a short leash like burrows, is the only choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: Samuel Etoo heavily linked in the press. The guy is 42. Pretty sure his best days are behind him. Even at CB! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesP_81 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: The guy is 42. Pretty sure his best days are behind him. Even at CB! He's only 42 ? Get him up front with Mika. Must still be more mobile than Wilkinson, less injury prone than Obika and more... well, everything than Shaw and Bair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyDosser Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: Samuel Etoo heavily linked in the press. which FM save is this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Team news out on the fishel, which would seem to point to: Kelly (though I'd drop him) SOD, Mugabie, Blaney Spencer, Slattery, Davor, Spittal, Gent Biereth, Obika Unless we continue with the mental 5-2-3 or break out a back four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosser1886 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Handsome_Devil said: Team news out on the fishel, which would seem to point to: Kelly (though I'd drop him) SOD, Mugabie, Blaney Spencer, Slattery, Davor, Spittal, Gent Biereth, Obika Unless we continue with the mental 5-2-3 or break out a back four. Gent and Spencer in their natural positions, hopefully giving us a bit of width and pace. What is this madness!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Was Keith Lasley the only guy on his course or something? I'm not going to pretend I know anything about it but I'd be surprised if there weren't a few more recently retired players around the country exploring similar qualifications that we could sound out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 50 minutes ago, eliphas said: 100%. Drift is the key word there We've drifted from a period about 8/9 years ago, around Les Hutchison time, where we had 7 board members + a CEO to now having, I think, 3 board members and a part time interim CEO. I'd argue we were probably bloated around that time Les was in with all the sub committees etc but we've swung the other way completely. I don't doubt the passion of everyone that's left and fair play to them for actually trying to get on with it, but when it's all part time and unpaid work (which is fine and not that odd) it's just not enough bodies to enact meaningful change. We need someone in to steer the ship on a regular day to day basis pronto. Aiming at an experienced football club CEO type is probably hurting us as we can't pay the wages. So, we likely need to take a bit of a risk on that front. Yep. I'm sure we had this conversation last year before Ketts turned us around so swiftly, but it's death by a thousand cuts. None of the individual things are that bad, but it's the combined total of them that leaves us in the shit, and will continue until someone has a firmer grip on it. We basically had a guy appointed CEO, it seemed like, then he decided against it so we've... just given up on recruiting? Like, don't get me wrong, relatable feeling of "I tried once and it didn't work so why bother trying again" and that, but nnnaaaah. Once again, amazed that the media team even manage to keep their shit going and huge kudos to Scott and that team who appear to be interviewer, camera, comms, strategy, planning and everything else that needs done? Happy to be told I'm wrong but if that's our off the field staff, then I'm somewhat doubtful out on the field staff and recruitment team are swimming in time and support either. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: Team news out on the fishel, which would seem to point to: Kelly (though I'd drop him) SOD, Mugabie, Blaney Spencer, Slattery, Davor, Spittal, Gent Biereth, Obika Unless we continue with the mental 5-2-3 or break out a back four. SOD at centre back has disaster written all over it however this is what I reckon we'll end up with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Similar scenes in Motherwell come May? We are THE establishment club after all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: Similar scenes in Motherwell come May? We are THE establishment club after all. They'll simply restructure the league to keep us in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelyDosser Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Plastic pitches ban could save us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosser1886 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: They'll simply restructure the league to keep us in. Long overdue.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellboy1991 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Handsome_Devil said: Team news out on the fishel, which would seem to point to: Kelly (though I'd drop him) SOD, Mugabie, Blaney Spencer, Slattery, Davor, Spittal, Gent Biereth, Obika Unless we continue with the mental 5-2-3 or break out a back four. The injuries and suspensions should force Kettlewells hand into going back to the 5-3-2. However with our abundance of shit strikers, I can see him playing the 5-2-3 and firing Spittal to LWB and playing Wilko in the 10 role again. That seriously would piss me off. The team has got to be what you said above with for me Wilkinson or Bair in beside Mika up top. I don’t rate Obika in the slightest. Can’t see any gel so far between JO and MB. They look so far off each others wave lengths. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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