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It was a good event. All the WS board members were there.

I felt the WS members who were against investment were spot on in any chat I had with any of them.

Tom Feeley was there too and to be fair he showed up and fought his corner. I didn't really feel there was any answers to the questions I asked of Tom and his decision and anything I said was met with a "what if" *insert worst case scenario.*

Tom was also confident that with the "Motherwell men" on the board if the proposal went through there'd be no need for EB to have the deciding vote. Cos he felt the Motherwell men would prevent it. I pointed out it doesn't always work that way as an example, himself. Voted on the WS board to protect and maintain the Society, Only to vote against society's ownership.

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1 minute ago, Busta Nut said:


It was a good event. All the WS board members were there.

I felt the WS members who were against investment were spot on in any chat I had with any of them.

Tom Feeley was there too and to be fair he showed up and fought his corner. I didn't really feel there was any answers to the questions I asked of Tom and his decision and anything I said was met with a "what if" *insert worst case scenario.*

Tom was also confident that with the "Motherwell men" on the board if the proposal went through there'd be no need for EB to have the deciding vote. Cos he felt the Motherwell men would prevent it. I pointed out it doesn't always work that way as an example, himself. Voted on the WS board to protect and maintain the Society, Only to vote against society's ownership.

Exactly. The "Motherwell Men" are the very people who have gotten us into this mess.

Sounds like it's basically been "aye but what if this" from Tom, followed by a lot of "don't worry about it" when he was asked the same hypothetical type of questions or even just standard, logical stuff you'd expect an answer for...

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Story so far....

Well Society deliberately set up to be a passive owner. Fan owned not fan run.

Situation continues until new Well Society Board members elected.

Believers in the passive model sense risk that Well Society could become active owner. Fan owned and (at least strategically) fan run.

Plan to protect passive ownership (no matter the cost) set in motion. The video, the financial scaremongering, the recommended deal to hamstring/destroy active ownership.

Well Society bolster their credentials as active owners through publication of professional, proportionate and powerful business plan

Club is at now at crossroads with Well Society members faced with the monumental decision on which direction to take.

Let's hope the majority see sense and don't jeopardise the future of the club by accepting the deal on offer.





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When I mentioned we'd probably make up the EB money if not surpass it with the sale of Bair and Miller he said, "we'll sell Bair, We're not selling Miller."

Before going into the "what if" injury thing.

Make of that what you will. 

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Similarly when I asked "what happens to the society if this deal goes through?"

Tom gave the ideal scenario where there is the same amount of members contributing and the Society have X amount of money for a back up.

I pointed out that I don't think that would be the case as many members, myself included, would stop their contributions. He couldn't fathom this, I was trying to put a point across "why would anyone contribute to something that has moved the goal posts and no longer stands for it's original purpose?" but it was a busy part of the room and the questions were flying at him.

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Just now, Busta Nut said:

Similarly when I asked "what happens to the society if this deal goes through?"

Tom gave the ideal scenario where there is the same amount of members contributing and the Society have X amount of money for a back up.

I pointed out that I don't think that would be the case as many members, myself included, would stop their contributions. He couldn't fathom this, I was trying to put a point across "why would anyone contribute to something that has moved the goal posts and no longer stands for it's original purpose?" but it was a bust part of the room and the questions were flying at him.

Thanks for the updates (and everyone else). The fact that they clearly don't grasp the possibility that the society will (at best) contract massively if the EB thing happens is more than a bit worrying.

It might also show that they have been viewing the WS as a dumb source of funding that will just carry on regardless...

 

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I pointed out that I don't think that would be the case as many members, myself included, would stop their contributions. He couldn't fathom this, I was trying to put a point across "why would anyone contribute to something that has moved the goal posts and no longer stands for it's original purpose?" but it was a bust part of the room and the questions were flying at him.

100% agree. 

Fundamentally it's a ridiculous concept. Why should a largely working class fanbase be expected to fund the pet project of a bored millionaire? If voted through, I'll be cancelling my membership. 

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47 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

Similarly when I asked "what happens to the society if this deal goes through?"

Tom gave the ideal scenario where there is the same amount of members contributing and the Society have X amount of money for a back up.

I pointed out that I don't think that would be the case as many members, myself included, would stop their contributions. He couldn't fathom this, I was trying to put a point across "why would anyone contribute to something that has moved the goal posts and no longer stands for it's original purpose?" but it was a busy part of the room and the questions were flying at him.

I mean, am I being thick, twice here?

In the first, ideal scenario, that isn't there, because the society has to match that funding. So it won't do that. It will also be in a more challenging position to do that, with no real explanation as to what will happen if it fails to meet the targets.

Secondly; you're basically going to be getting the flip side of folk who think they get to vote on the transfer business in fan ownership. Folk who expect the owner to answer on everything, so good luck with that. 

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1 minute ago, thisGRAEME said:

I mean, am I being thick, twice here?

In the first, ideal scenario, that isn't there, because the society has to match that funding. So it won't do that. It will also be in a more challenging position to do that, with no real explanation as to what will happen if it fails to meet the targets.

 

He seems to think that no one will drop their contributions and the society will continue to bring money in while paying these yearly bits.

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Talking to the Well Society board tonight (Feeley aside) left me feeling very confident in their abilities to get the club back into shape.

And there was talk of some investment into the Well Society from outside sources which is the obvious thing for someone who wants to help the club and is not interested in securing a return. Obviously those talks are pending on rejecting Barmack's plan.

Really disappointed with Tom Feeley's answers regarding the current well society reserves and the crucial ability of the society to cover future shortfalls once we turn all our current funding over in the Barmack deal.

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44 minutes ago, TheMotherwell1 said:

100% agree. 

Fundamentally it's a ridiculous concept. Why should a largely working class fanbase be expected to fund the pet project of a bored millionaire? If voted through, I'll be cancelling my membership. 

You've every right to feel like that - but the flip side of it is that the same working class fanbase is going to have to dip into their pockets to increase contributions to the well society and to buy more season tickets. I don't think there's any easy answer to any of this. Mainly because we've got such a small core fanbase. 

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9 minutes ago, Wellin said:

You've every right to feel like that - but the flip side of it is that the same working class fanbase is going to have to dip into their pockets to increase contributions to the well society and to buy more season tickets. I don't think there's any easy answer to any of this. Mainly because we've got such a small core fanbase. 

Completely disagree.

Do not fall for the condescending, scaremongering shite of Jim McMahon and his cohort of bootlickers.

 

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24 minutes ago, Wellin said:

You've every right to feel like that - but the flip side of it is that the same working class fanbase is going to have to dip into their pockets to increase contributions to the well society and to buy more season tickets. I don't think there's any easy answer to any of this. Mainly because we've got such a small core fanbase. 

Hypothetical one for you.

Say we have 4,000 season ticket holders; each one pays £5 two times a season to the WS or towards a particular strategic project instead of having a meal deal at the kiosk.

£40k for the coffers and the fan base is healthier because it doesn't eat as many pies.

Yes I'm being flippant, but you can see how things don't need to be complicated to increase funds, nor do they need to be financially challenging or daunting.

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13 minutes ago, Wellin said:

You've every right to feel like that - but the flip side of it is that the same working class fanbase is going to have to dip into their pockets to increase contributions to the well society and to buy more season tickets. I don't think there's any easy answer to any of this. Mainly because we've got such a small core fanbase. 

There is one thing putting your hand in your pocket for the benefit of the club when its still fan owned and you know every penny stays in the club.

Its an entirely different thing to do the same knowing some faceless millionaire is trousering some of it.

If Erik wants to own and run a football club let him. But if wants entire control over the operation he can do it with his own money.

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7 hours ago, Vietnam91 said:

This scheme banks on gullibility, heads being turned citing flashy names with a good sprinkle of hope. I told him way back not to treat us like hicks and then I see that club announcement where he assumed we were hicks. This scheme is so egregious it boils my piss only which is only matched by the sycophants in our support making excuses for it.

I've taken a few hours to digest the reports from last night and it's still hard to fathom.

I appreciate people can only report on what they heard but was any of the following covered:

Why is Feely still Society chair when he supports ending fan ownership?

Why is Dickie still on the club board with his Society mandate?

What's the rationale of the Society board for indulging the executive in this farce and not just replacing them? 

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