ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Disco30 said: Your heads gone , comparing a boxer to a football team is nothing short of idiotic. Your analogy is awful. No, they're no great shakes but manage to dominate a poor division while usually getting found out when they go up a grade or two. Edited October 5, 2016 by ayrmad -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 48 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said: I don't think I would have him number 1 but most rankings had Wlad in the top 10, some even top 5 IIRC. If Haye or Joshua had beaten Wlad that night it would've been hailed as the greatest British boxing win ever. It's hard for everyone to be objective with the heavyweights as there are too many people who hate Fury, hate Joshua, hate the Klitschkos or hate Haye etc i'd have Wlad on a par with Bruno at best. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 That's ridiculous. Wlad would probably take some stopping in any heavyweight era but in any other heavyweight era they were basically cruiserweights. Lewis et al were the first of the proper new generation heavyweights. If you compare your actual bona Fide heavyweights then Apart from Wlad only Lewis is superior. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm talking pish by selling Bruno short. Bruno never lost to a Tyson Fury, Lamon Brewster, Corrie Saunders or Ross Puritty that's right Ross Puritty. Bruno managed to wobble Tyson in his pomp after being decked, outboxed Bonecrusher Smith for 9 rounds before getting tagged, gave Lennox Lewis a decent run for his cash before getting tagged, gave Tim Witherspoon a decent run before he got tagged, beat Oliver McCall. Bruno managed to dominate the poor boxers of his generation for the whole 14 years of his pro career. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Trolling is fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: That's ridiculous. Wlad would probably take some stopping in any heavyweight era but in any other heavyweight era they were basically cruiserweights. Lewis et al were the first of the proper new generation heavyweights. If you compare your actual bona Fide heavyweights then Apart from Wlad only Lewis is superior. Riddick Bowe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 42 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm talking pish by selling Bruno short. Bruno never lost to a Tyson Fury, Lamon Brewster, Corrie Saunders or Ross Puritty that's right Ross Puritty. Bruno managed to wobble Tyson in his pomp after being decked, outboxed Bonecrusher Smith for 9 rounds before getting tagged, gave Lennox Lewis a decent run for his cash before getting tagged, gave Tim Witherspoon a decent run before he got tagged, beat Oliver McCall. Bruno managed to dominate the poor boxers of his generation for the whole 14 years of his pro career. 11 minutes ago, J_Stewart said: Trolling is fun. Are you two talking about the same thing here? Wlads P4P ranking over ALL eras and divisions or just over his own era and the heavyweight division? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 40 minutes ago, sjc said: Are you two talking about the same thing here? Wlads P4P ranking over ALL eras and divisions or just over his own era and the heavyweight division? Why would we discuss p4p solely for the heavyweight division / 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Why would we discuss p4p solely for the heavyweight division / Obviously not, perhaps not worded the best. Are you discussing how Wlad rates P4P ranking all time?, P4P ranking own era?, or Ranking in Heavyweight division all time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 39 minutes ago, sjc said: Are you two talking about the same thing here? Wlads P4P ranking over ALL eras and divisions or just over his own era and the heavyweight division? I'm saying that ayrmad is trolling. No one actually thinks that Wladimir Klitschko (undisputed world heavyweight champion for a decade) and Frank Bruno (good fighter, but never elite level) are in any way comparable, let alone Bruno coming out on top of the two. Wlad would have been a world champion in any era of the sport, there's absolutely no doubt about that. TCK made reference earlier to only really having an excellent jab, straight right and distance control. Why would a heavyweight his size need anything else though? It's the equivalent of criticising Tyson for utilising his sledgehammer hooks, or Ali for using his blistering speed. There's no doubt within the last 10 years Wlad has been a top 10 P4P boxer, and you could easily make a case for him in any spot on that list such has been his dominance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburgh phil Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just because Klitschko fights in a pretty dull manner to say he hasn't been one of the best operators of the last twenty years is ludicrous. Agreed he looks shot these days but he is a level above the Brunos of this world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Apart from a stiff jab, an excellent right hand, best distance control and fighting and beating every contender until Fury Wlad is terrible. Edited October 5, 2016 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Any further ticket sales from now until fight time for the Ricky Burns fight will go to Mike Towell's family. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-37566673 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, sjc said: Obviously not, perhaps not worded the best. Are you discussing how Wlad rates P4P ranking all time?, P4P ranking own era?, or Ranking in Heavyweight division all time? We're just talking about Wlad's standing across the board. 2 hours ago, J_Stewart said: I'm saying that ayrmad is trolling. No one actually thinks that Wladimir Klitschko (undisputed world heavyweight champion for a decade) and Frank Bruno (good fighter, but never elite level) are in any way comparable, let alone Bruno coming out on top of the two. Wlad would have been a world champion in any era of the sport, there's absolutely no doubt about that. TCK made reference earlier to only really having an excellent jab, straight right and distance control. Why would a heavyweight his size need anything else though? It's the equivalent of criticising Tyson for utilising his sledgehammer hooks, or Ali for using his blistering speed. There's no doubt within the last 10 years Wlad has been a top 10 P4P boxer, and you could easily make a case for him in any spot on that list such has been his dominance. Of course they're comparable, Wlad's hardly got a decent opponent on his record and if you think Wlad would have been world champion in any era you clearly know very little about boxing. 45 minutes ago, pittsburgh phil said: Just because Klitschko fights in a pretty dull manner to say he hasn't been one of the best operators of the last twenty years is ludicrous. Agreed he looks shot these days but he is a level above the Brunos of this world. He really isn't, his list of defeats and opponents point to a fairly limited boxer making the best of what he has, nowt wrong with that. Edited October 5, 2016 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Apart from a stiff jab, an excellent right hand, best distance control and fighting and beating every contender until Fury Wlad is terrible. Aye but when he fought someone where the distance wasn't in his favour he was snookered. Wlad was a great champion- I wouldn't dispute that, he'd also be a great champion in most/ any era but it was more down to his size than technical proficiency. Until recent decades heavy weight were just big cruiser weights. Lennox Lewis era was the first of the proper heavies. Lennox Lewis had far more to his game than Wlad. Maybe I'm being overly harsh- you can only piss with the cock you've got and Wlad certainly made the absolute best of what he had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 To be remembered as a great fighter you need to be involved in great fights against great opponents. Wlad never was afforded that opportunity- or he never afforded his opponents that opportunity- you can't blame him for that but you can't then blame the public for not enjoying the career. Distance control does take a lot of skill as well- just look at David Price and his complete inability to maintain distance. His concentration and discipline levels were outstanding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 How come we've ended up arguing about Wlad when it was Fury we were discussing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernJambo Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Because apparently Fury is shit. So if he beat Wlad, Wlad must be shit. Seems to be about the long and short of the last few pages... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburgh phil Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Anyway, is anyone off to see Ricky Burns at the weekend? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Nah. Would need to be a must see before id but a ticket for a Matchroom promotion. Will just watch it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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