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[Jinky67]

5 hours ago, AJF said:

I'm not, I don't need you to validate my opinion. I was simply questioning your logic when you implied I was expecting too much and scapegoating Beale after I said I thought he deserved to go. You agree that he deserved to go and have said as much at the time, so I just don't understand your point. You keep avoiding it.

What I said was he wasn’t fully at fault due to the lack of support and poor infrastructure around him and that the expensive dross brought in will inevitably see Rangers punt him and it seems I was spot on because Gerrard aside, it’s the MO. I still think he’s not fully at fault so my opinions haven’t changed.

Rangers fans (not singling you out here but I am including you) had high expectations of Beale based on this myth he was the brains behind Gerrard and he was a wizard on the recruitment front. The fans hyped him up when the reality was he was an utter novice and as such the club should have treated him like one, he is going to make mistakes but again everyone should have known that but the expectations were so that Rangers fans expected him to challenge and perform some sort of miracle because the guy in the green corner was seemingly doing just that, that was never really realistic for Beale though again due to the nature of how Rangers are run and I don’t see it being much different for this guy.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Jinky67

[2426255]

2 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

What I said was he wasn’t fully at fault due to the lack of support and poor infrastructure around him and that the expensive dross brought in will inevitably see Rangers punt him and it seems I was spot on because Gerrard aside, it’s the MO. I still think he’s not fully at fault so my opinions haven’t changed.

Rangers fans (not singling you out here but I am including you) had high expectations of Beale based on this myth he was the brains behind Gerrard and he was a wizard on the recruitment front. The fans hyped him up when the reality was he was an utter novice and as such the club should have treated him like one, he is going to make mistakes but again everyone should have known that but the expectations were so that Rangers fans expected him to challenge and perform some sort of miracle because the guy in the green corner was seemingly doing just that, that was never really realistic for Beale though again due to the nature of how Rangers are run and I don’t see it being much different for this guy.

 

 

 

 

 

Rangers need a miracle worker to compete with Celtic presently. The media like to suggest that Celtic and Rangers are on a par because it suits their business, but they aren't. They could be in the future - the potential is there, but not now. 

I'm a little surprised Clement took the job given he's coming off the back of a mess at Monaco. It's a risky job to take when he will only be seen as a success if they are able to push past a dominant Celtic. Good luck to him.

[Savage Henry]

2 hours ago, AJF said:

Ah well. The 25 minutes of hope between those tweets was fun while it lasted.

You’re not possibly suggesting Mr Fabrizio Romano Base Pizza merely regurgitates whatever it is he’s told without questioning it, are you? 

[Derry Alli]

22 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

You’re not possibly suggesting Mr Fabrizio Romano Base Pizza merely regurgitates whatever it is he’s told without questioning it, are you? 

You can do a lot in life I don't react to but questioning Fabrizio is not one. Apologise right now to the man or square go at dawn.

[kingjoey]

4 hours ago, bennett said:

 

 

 

Some of the "people" can't believe that anyone would turn down the mighty Glasgow Rangers, as was.

[Girth]

Are Selltic and Rainjurz fans always arguing!?

Come on guys, hold hands and walk towards the light!

[Dons_1988]

7 minutes ago, Girth said:

Are Selltic and Rainjurz fans always arguing!?

Come on guys, hold hands and walk towards the light!

Do you mean you haven’t been enjoying ‘Michael Beale was given time and failed’ vs ‘Michael Beale was given time but less time than is suitable for the expectations of a vaguely defined populace but yes he failed’?

[AndyM]

On 18/10/2023 at 17:13, 2426255 said:

Rangers need a miracle worker to compete with Celtic presently. The media like to suggest that Celtic and Rangers are on a par because it suits their business, but they aren't. They could be in the future - the potential is there, but not now. 

I'm a little surprised Clement took the job given he's coming off the back of a mess at Monaco. It's a risky job to take when he will only be seen as a success if they are able to push past a dominant Celtic. Good luck to him.

They're not on a par and have not been for some time. 

Celtic's budget is bigger by some considerable margin and their signings are generally better players that command bigger salaries and their scouting and development of players has been shown to be better.  Celtic have been a well run club for over 25 years, the same could never be said for what has been an absolute pantomime at Ibrox.. Celtic also have the ability to go and get someone like Brendan Rogers who would not have come cheap and their revenue streams are strong especially with Champions League group stage football being a regularity now. Rangers meanwhile probably have 5 times the budgets of a Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen. They are absolutely guaranteed to finish second at worst and their best hope of trophies are in the cups. There is no shame in that but this realisation no doubt angers some of the support base.

[2426255]

32 minutes ago, AndyM said:

They're not on a par and have not been for some time. 

Celtic's budget is bigger by some considerable margin and their signings are generally better players that command bigger salaries and their scouting and development of players has been shown to be better.  Celtic have been a well run club for over 25 years, the same could never be said for what has been an absolute pantomime at Ibrox.. Celtic also have the ability to go and get someone like Brendan Rogers who would not have come cheap and their revenue streams are strong especially with Champions League group stage football being a regularity now. Rangers meanwhile probably have 5 times the budgets of a Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen. They are absolutely guaranteed to finish second at worst and their best hope of trophies are in the cups. There is no shame in that but this realisation no doubt angers some of the support base.

The fan base refuse to accept the reality of their situation. If you took the names Celtic & Rangers away then it would be clear. 

The point I was making is that it pressures their board into making poor decisions which slows them getting to where they want to be and so the fan base is a negative force in that respect. God help Clement if he doesn't win the League cup, a competition where randomness can have a bigger effect.

Edited October 20, 2023 by 2426255

[LuboMoravcik]

On 18/10/2023 at 14:59, Jinky67 said:

What I said was he wasn’t fully at fault due to the lack of support and poor infrastructure around him and that the expensive dross brought in will inevitably see Rangers punt him and it seems I was spot on because Gerrard aside, it’s the MO. I still think he’s not fully at fault so my opinions haven’t changed.

Rangers fans (not singling you out here but I am including you) had high expectations of Beale based on this myth he was the brains behind Gerrard and he was a wizard on the recruitment front. The fans hyped him up when the reality was he was an utter novice and as such the club should have treated him like one, he is going to make mistakes but again everyone should have known that but the expectations were so that Rangers fans expected him to challenge and perform some sort of miracle because the guy in the green corner was seemingly doing just that, that was never really realistic for Beale though again due to the nature of how Rangers are run and I don’t see it being much different for this guy.

 

 

 

 

 

FWIW, I know a lad who works within the game professionally and he says Beale is actually rated as a coach. Maybe being a manager in his own right was a step too far though.

[steelmen]

29 minutes ago, AndyM said:

especially with Champions League group stage football being a regularity now

Amazing to think that it is because of Rangers and all the points they have picked up that are keeping them in the automatic group phase place

[AndyM]

2 hours ago, 2426255 said:

The fan base refuse to accept the reality of their situation. If you took the names Celtic & Rangers away then it would be clear. 

The point I was making is that it pressures their board into making poor decisions which slows them getting to where they want to be and so the fan base is a negative force in that respect. God help Clement if he doesn't win the League cup, a competition where randomness can have a bigger effect.

The League Cup is absolutely massive for them which almost sounds a ridiculous thing to say as it was Rangers fans who used to say to me that the League Cup only mattered when "it wis part o the treble".  

[AJF]

2 hours ago, LuboMoravcik said:

FWIW, I know a lad who works within the game professionally and he says Beale is actually rated as a coach. Maybe being a manager in his own right was a step too far though.

I think that seems to be the case. Most Rangers fans expressed concerns about his lack of managerial experience at the time of his appointment, despite what others would have you believe.

[LuboMoravcik]

1 minute ago, AJF said:

I think that seems to be the case. Most Rangers fans expressed concerns about his lack of managerial experience at the time of his appointment, despite what others would have you believe.

Did you feel that getting rid of GBV was the correct thing to do at the time? If so, do you still think that?

[AJF]

6 minutes ago, LuboMoravcik said:

Did you feel that getting rid of GBV was the correct thing to do at the time? If so, do you still think that?

Yes and yes. I was sympathetic to him as he was hung out to dry after he got us into the CL and not a penny of it was spent on the squad. But I think he had run his course and we were looking pretty aimless in the league and going backwards. His hidings at Celtic park also went against him.

Hindsight tells us Beale wasn’t the right man to replace him, but I don’t think we were wrong to get rid of Gio despite that.

[bennett]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[2426255]

40 minutes ago, AJF said:

Yes and yes. I was sympathetic to him as he was hung out to dry after he got us into the CL and not a penny of it was spent on the squad.

He wasn't given the tools or time to do the job. GVB is a fine manager. Rangers want a guy to come in and surpass Celtic with a fraction of what Celtic have available to them. It's nonsensical.

Edited October 20, 2023 by 2426255

[AJF]

2 minutes ago, 2426255 said:

He wasn't given the tools or time to do the job. GVB is a fine manager. Rangers want a guy to come in and surpass Celtic with a fraction of what Celtic have available to them. It's nonsensical.

I already alluded to the fact that he was let down by the board. That doesn’t excuse the fact that we were performing poorly, though.

You seem to have this belief that 2nd position is the only barometer of how a Rangers manager is doing. No matter how good or bad the team are performing relative to how we have done.

As I said before, Gio was brilliant in European competition (our CL campaign aside) but you cannot seriously tell me that a 11/12 point swing in Celtic’s favour, while squandering a 6 point lead is him doing a fine job.

He survived that mainly because we won the Scottish cup and got to the EL final, but we were on course to regress domestically even further the second season. Europe is great, but the league is the priority and always will be.

[2426255]

58 minutes ago, AJF said:

I already alluded to the fact that he was let down by the board. That doesn’t excuse the fact that we were performing poorly, though.

You seem to have this belief that 2nd position is the only barometer of how a Rangers manager is doing. No matter how good or bad the team are performing relative to how we have done.

As I said before, Gio was brilliant in European competition (our CL campaign aside) but you cannot seriously tell me that a 11/12 point swing in Celtic’s favour, while squandering a 6 point lead is him doing a fine job.

He survived that mainly because we won the Scottish cup and got to the EL final, but we were on course to regress domestically even further the second season. Europe is great, but the league is the priority and always will be.

I just think that the Rangers fans and therefore boards minimum is the same as Rangers maximum in terms of capabilities. It can be achieved, but needs everything to be perfect or Celtic to dip. 

The manager is irrelevant in Rangers case because the existing fundamentals in terms of business and finances between Celtic and Rangers make it so and they haven't changed as far as I'm aware.

If Rangers fans accepted their place as the 2nd best team in Scotland with aspirations to be competitive against Celtic that's fine, but Rangers fans and therefore the board expect to win the League and anything else is failure. It makes no sense to me.

Edited October 20, 2023 by 2426255

[The Other Foot]

Holy…

Been out the loop for a while and just seen Rangers have hired Clement.

I’ve been a part time follower of French football for a few seasons, so can’t claim to be an expert. But that’s a completely beige signing if ever I’ve seen one.