Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 It still amazes me that people generalise to the degree they overlook the opinions of the fans that don’t fit within their narrative.Never said all Sevco fans are bigots just the vast vast majority and why anyone would want to stand alongside seething bigots each week is beyond me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 What about the natives negative thoughts about catholic’s? Oh and the orange tops?They've brought out something orange for a good few years on the trot now. They clearly don't give a f**k and they get away with it. It therefore makes sense if you're a rancid, racist organisation you should make some money out of these ideals if you can.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, Empty It said: 7 minutes ago, AJF said: It still amazes me that people generalise to the degree they overlook the opinions of the fans that don’t fit within their narrative. Never said all Sevco fans are bigots just the vast vast majority and why anyone would want to stand alongside seething bigots each week is beyond me. And that is the generalisation “the vast majority”. As I’ve already mentioned before, the number of people in support of Goldson vastly outnumbers those that do not support him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Empty It said: 14 minutes ago, AJF said: It still amazes me that people generalise to the degree they overlook the opinions of the fans that don’t fit within their narrative. Never said all Sevco fans are bigots just the vast vast majority and why anyone would want to stand alongside seething bigots each week is beyond me. Also to add on your point about not wanting to stand alongside bigots - myself and others have mentioned before, we go to Ibrox to support the team, not the fans. Additionally, if fans were to decide they wouldn’t return to a football ground if they heard a bigoted or racist comment within it, then they would have no stadiums to go to before long so I don’t think that is a logical argument. Edited July 19, 2020 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, AJF said: Additionally, if fans were to decide they wouldn’t return to a football ground if they heard a bigoted or racist comment within it, then they would have no stadiums to go to before long so I don’t think that it a logical argument. Pish. Absolute pish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Also to add on your point about not wanting to stand alongside bigots - myself and others have mentioned before, we go to Ibrox to support the team, not the fans. Additionally, if fans were to decide they wouldn’t return to a football ground if they heard a bigoted or racist comment within it, then they would have no stadiums to go to before long so I don’t think that it a logical argument.Difference between hearing a couple of people chanting vile bigotry and 20-30 thousand doing so. You might go along to support the team but the team has a history of bigotry since long before you were alive so why anyone would choose to support this just confuses me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, AJF said: It still amazes me that people generalise to the degree they overlook the opinions of the fans that don’t fit within their narrative. It will be interesting to see what will happen when fans are allowed back in limited numbers. Let's say 5000 in Ibrox rather than 50000. We still hear all the bigoted poison and the club then say "despite all our best efforts" (as detailed by you 20 minutes ago) " you've ignored it and all of you are banned for life. Sorry, I know that tars you all but unless you're willing to clipe on who actually sang it, you're all barred". Would the 5000 at the next game dare spout the same hate-filled pish? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, tree house tam said: Pish. Absolute pish. In what way? I don’t want to divert the topic away from Rangers, but do you seriously believe that we are the only club that have fans that are bigoted or sectarian? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2007/mar/01/match.newsstory1 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dundee-united-launch-alleged-racism-21182645.amp https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/racist-abuse-fan-fined-200/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46712726 Here are just a few examples from up and down the country. As I said, I don’t want to derail or deflect, but to claim that this is a problem within 1 clubs fans base is ridiculous. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: It will be interesting to see what will happen when fans are allowed back in limited numbers. Let's say 5000 in Ibrox rather than 50000. We still hear all the bigoted poison and the club then say "despite all our best efforts" (as detailed by you 20 minutes ago) " you've ignored it and all of you are banned for life. Sorry, I know that tars you all but unless you're willing to clipe on who actually sang it, you're all barred". Would the 5000 at the next game dare spout the same hate-filled pish? I agree, it would be interesting. I’d have no qualms with the club taking some form of action given that our players are now openly discussing the matter. I think it is mainly when fans are away from Ibrox, it is a more prevalent issue. You rarely (not never, but rarely) hear The Billy Boys being sang at Ibrox nowadays for example. It’ll maybe happen in games v Celtic or big European nights but the majority of games it won’t be heard. In that respect, I think the club have done well to try and move away from it. But, whether it be the passion from big matches or fans fuelled by alcohol, it creeps back in on those occasions. It seems to happen more frequently at away games and I am unsure what powers Rangers will have in those situation. But totally appreciate your point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 08/07/2018 at 11:14, Drew Brees said: Is this in connection to more racism lies from shay? On 13/05/2017 at 07:50, Drew Brees said: Shay Logan is a grass. On 08/07/2018 at 16:33, Drew Brees said: Did the racist abuse happen to shay while he was confronting Boyata, who didn’t mention hearing any, or while he was getting escorted off the park and up the tunnel by police officers, who also didn’t mention hearing any? On the balance of probability, I’d say shay Logan is a c***s c**t. 16 minutes ago, Drew Brees said: They've brought out something orange for a good few years on the trot now. They clearly don't give a f**k and they get away with it. It therefore makes sense if you're a rancid, racist organisation you should make some money out of these ideals if you can.. We deserve a lot of criticism at times and deserve it here but the hypocrisy from you here is amazing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, AJF said: In what way? I don’t want to divert the topic away from Rangers, but do you seriously believe that we are the only club that have fans that are bigoted or sectarian? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2007/mar/01/match.newsstory1 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dundee-united-launch-alleged-racism-21182645.amp https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/racist-abuse-fan-fined-200/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46712726 Here are just a few examples from up and down the country. As I said, I don’t want to derail or deflect, but to claim that this is a problem within 1 clubs fans base is ridiculous. In the race to the bottom Rangers are definitely the winners. That'll go nice next to the Petrofact cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: In the race to the bottom Rangers are definitely the winners. That'll go nice next to the Petrofact cup. I 100% agree the clubs fans have issues that need to be addressed, and will always accept that and not hide from it. I was merely reacting to a comment that seemed to suggest Rangers were the only ones which just isn’t true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, AJF said: I 100% agree the clubs fans have issues that need to be addressed, and will always accept that and not hide from it. I was merely reacting to a comment that seemed to suggest Rangers were the only ones which just isn’t true. Yes but they do seem to have the most and most vocal and that can't be argued so the question should be why does the club attract this type of fan. I personally think it's the uber uber Britishness the club projects which attracts the lowest of the low in society...just my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Yes but they do seem to have the most and most vocal and that can't be argued so the question should be why does the club attract this type of fan. I personally think it's the uber uber Britishness the club projects which attracts the lowest of the low in society...just my opinion.The club promote that, knowing full well what it will and does extend into. This is why no one can seriously claim Rangers do everything in their power (or even do anything at all) to eliminate sectarianism and bigotry. And as British Nationalism becomes more and more a politics/media driven lightning rod for xenophobia and racism, so it follows that those issues make their way into the mainstream of the Rangers support (if they weren't there already) and manifest themselves in folk being raging at an anti racism message. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiefan Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, AJF said: I 100% agree the clubs fans have issues that need to be addressed, and will always accept that and not hide from it. I was merely reacting to a comment that seemed to suggest Rangers were the only ones which just isn’t true. Delusional clown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Killiefan said: Delusional clown I just provided 4 or 5 examples of fans from other clubs making racist remarks... I don’t know how you can argue against that? I’m not trying to shy away from problems Rangers fans have, but this is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 12 minutes ago, Bohemian said: Yes but they do seem to have the most and most vocal and that can't be argued so the question should be why does the club attract this type of fan. I personally think it's the uber uber Britishness the club projects which attracts the lowest of the low in society...just my opinion. The club promote that, knowing full well what it will and does extend into. This is why no one can seriously claim Rangers do everything in their power (or even do anything at all) to eliminate sectarianism and bigotry. And as British Nationalism becomes more and more a politics/media driven lightning rod for xenophobia and racism, so it follows that those issues make their way into the mainstream of the Rangers support (if they weren't there already) and manifest themselves in folk being raging at an anti racism message. Yes exactly. You said it far better than I did. Also the only club in Britain to roll out effin cannons on poppey day, we all know it's just to antagonise the other half of Glasgow. The employment of orange order members. Things as small as but would seem innocent anywhere else as Orange tops.. these are just a few things rangers do that stokes the fires of sectarianism that could easily be stopped. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 It's a conundrum. I know lots of Rangers fans and the vast majority of them are decent people and on the surface, only interested in football. But I find it hard to reconcile that with what we see and hear at Rangers away matches and Hampden appearances - thousands upon thousands singing racist songs. That and the extreme British nationalism perpetually on show.I look at the strips on display at Orange parades, the rantings of the prominent Rangers fan groups on Twitter and the occasional footage of people in Rangers regalia in George Square and erecting bonfires in Northern Ireland and wonder why on earth anyone would want to be associated with these people via a football club. Then I suppose why should your enjoyment of following your club be prevented by the actions of a fringe element (if indeed it is a fringe and not the main body of support - a source of great debate here). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiefan Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, AJF said: I just provided 4 or 5 examples of fans from other clubs making racist remarks... I don’t know how you can argue against that? I’m not trying to shy away from problems Rangers fans have, but this is ridiculous. Yep, every club has the odd idiot but you morons have thousands who inflict their selves on Scottish society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, AJF said: The things I outlined all include the club actively trying to discourage any form of bigotry or prejudice which obviously includes sectarianism. I realise that you're getting it in the neck here AJF and I don't believe that you personally have any truck with racism or bigotry, as you have made clear, but I seem to recall that the Rangers* first team posed with a loyalist flute band after a game against Linfield. How does that square with the club as an organisation seeking to eradicate bigotry if this is allowed to occur? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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