Forever_blueco Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, Romeo said: You just did thicko. Well done and cheers And your very welcome x 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, FrankChickens1 said: The two incidents are obviously not really comparable, but the willingness of Rangers fans to fluctuate between viewing corollary evidence as either definitive or irrelevant based on who is being investigated is very noteworthy. "Corollary evidence"? And while this is going to be another dumpster fire, Kamara gave witness testimony about what was said. The decision was not based on video evidence alone. In the second case no one at the event has claimed the singing was the words claimed, this stems for morons on the internet and their imaginations running wild. Rangers statement would or at least should have come after a brief talk to staff who had been present. About a week from now Police Scotland will release a statement to the effect that there is no crime to investigate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, FrankChickens1 said: Hiding the fact you know your club is infected with rampant bigotry, and its why you support it. Wait do you actually think the players were singing "ftp"? Wild. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 This.reminds me if the time this happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, Romeo said: This.reminds me if the time this happened. Shame it didn’t remind you where a full stop goes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I think it would have been class patter if they were singing what has been alleged. Really let the mask slip and showed your inner bigot the last few days chief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankChickens1 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dorlomin said: "Corollary evidence"? And while this is going to be another dumpster fire, Kamara gave witness testimony about what was said. The decision was not based on video evidence alone. In the second case no one at the event has claimed the singing was the words claimed, this stems for morons on the internet and their imaginations running wild. Rangers statement would or at least should have come after a brief talk to staff who had been present. About a week from now Police Scotland will release a statement to the effect that there is no crime to investigate. I agree re Police Scotland, that is what will happen and its probably what should happen. Even without any video evidence, its more likely than not someone in that room sang FTP. Add to that the videos, and the audio of those videos, and it becomes all too much of a coincidence. To me the assorted videos clearly show not everyone is singing the same thing, as set out at length above. I'm not saying the outcome should be anything to do with the police. What it should be is yet more people realising that Rangers are a cancerous shitstain on Scottish life. Instead, what is happening is some Rangers fans, including the board, coming out with total nonsense to try and deflect from that. Edited May 17, 2021 by FrankChickens1 -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Can someone please respond to Romeo again please 10 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: And your very welcome x 7 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Shame it didn’t remind you where a full stop goes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Empty It said: Really let the mask slip and showed your inner bigot the last few days chief. "Last few days" Fucking hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Empty It said: Really let the mask slip and showed your inner bigot the last few days chief. Just cause he’s a bigot doesn’t mean he’s a bigot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, FrankChickens1 said: Even without any video evidence, its more likely than not someone in that room sang FTP. Quote Burden of proof (also known as onus probandi in Latin) is the obligation on somebody presenting a new idea (a claim) to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to prove the evidence presented is not adequate. Burdens of proof are key to having logically valid statements: if claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Have Rangers banned any fans in the recent past for sectarianism? I'm genuinely curious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Empty It said: Really let the mask slip and showed your inner bigot the last few days chief. What do you mean? I'm not a bigot. It would have undeniably been patter worthy if the players had actually sung "ftp". Think about it you guys that get so animated by "bigotry" within the support would have had a field day. People say far worse about other people all the time on here anyway so forgive me if I don't get enraged with someone slagging off the Pope... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankChickens1 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dorlomin said: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof Aye and? Did you not see the all the bit about not involving the police? It's quite right there are standards of evidence before legal sanction. It's also self evident that the standards required to make an informed judgement on a group of people, and treat them with the absolute contempt they deserve, is far lower. Anyone arguing otherwise is deluding themselves. As to Kudela and witness evidence, are you saying you thought Kudela was innocent owing to lack of evidence, in terms of being tret with contempt, until Kamara's witness evidence? Edited May 17, 2021 by FrankChickens1 -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, yoda said: Have Rangers banned any fans in the recent past for sectarianism? I'm genuinely curious. Just the BBC. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbix Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, yoda said: Have Rangers banned any fans in the recent past for sectarianism? I'm genuinely curious. You can find examples in the first page of a google search, how genuinely curious are you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Is that TWO Rangers statements in one day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Complete and utter ‘yer da’ post coming up..Why the fcuk are people filming the players celebrating, if your lucky enough to be invited to the party join in and have a bit of fun.Really boils my piss when you see folks first reaction nowadays is to whip their phone out. Live in the moment and enjoy it. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, steelmen said: Why the fcuk are people filming the players celebrating, if your lucky enough to be invited to the party join in and have a bit of fun. Worst part about it all was the players doing it after the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, steelmen said: Complete and utter ‘yer da’ post coming up.. Why the fcuk are people filming the players celebrating, if your lucky enough to be invited to the party join in and have a bit of fun. Really boils my piss when you see folks first reaction nowadays is to whip their phone out. Live in the moment and enjoy it. Aye, especially when they were lifting the trophy in the stadium. f**k sake, there's cameras everywhere, enjoy the moment and you can reminisce later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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