Bully Wee Villa Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Sum boi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yes. In person. Then I'm sure you will agree he has been a disaster who completely lacks the ability to lead a serious party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I'm not a huge fan of her and I don't think she's a great leader but she's clearly a far far better leader than Jeremy Corbyn is. Either way she is a member and a senior figure so perfectly entitled to an opinion.Here's her article, nothing you can really disagree with here:http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/kezia-dugdale-backs-owen-smith-8680178 More to the point she is young enough to volunteer to be purged and still make a comeback after Corbyn marching the Labour Party into the wilderness has run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Kinder politics from a moderate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We can prophesise about how Corbyn would've gotten on at an election without the party trying to sabotage him (still badly imo). Corbyn may well have been a short-term failure but the absolute shambles the PLP have created here has fucked Labour. There's no scenario which works for them going forward. Sturgeon and May must be pissing themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Cast my vote for Owen Smith over lunch time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Cast my vote for Owen Smith over lunch time. Online or physical ballot? I've not received either yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Me neither. Judging by Twitter most people haven't. Hoping to vote by email to save the party money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yeah online. Received 13.20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Judging by Twitter most people haven't. Hoping to vote by email to save the party money. I'm voting online and by post in case the Blairites try to discount one of my votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I'm voting online and by post in case the Blairites try to discount one of my votes. Don't worry, we will intercept both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Bugger. Hadn't thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Labour has 600,000 members of which under 23,000 are in Scotland. Labour are essentially an English party who will look after England's interests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Labour has 600,000 members of which under 23,000 are in Scotland. Labour are essentially an English party who will look after England's interests Utterly stupid comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDP Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Let's hold the bus on Sadiq Khan a minute. His is not some sort of left wing electoral success that resident thickos JMO and Berwick "on mass" Mad like to paint. He won in a city that leans towards labour after years of a mayor who won by force of personality, not party allegiance. Khan isn't some election winning machine - he won with a horrifically low turnout against a woeful opponent that ran an unashamedly racist campaign that was ridiculed all over and rightfully condemned. He won by default, not because of which branch of the party he is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Labour has 600,000 members of which under 23,000 are in Scotland. Labour are essentially an English party who will look after England's interests They are a British party who represent the interests of their members and parliamentarians, which may or may not align with 'England's interests', whatever that is supposed to mean. I don't think most Labour members view politics through the prism of national identity. Being Scottish certainly has nothing to do with the way I vote. I really don't care if I'm voting for a party that represent Scotland's interests or not. I'm interested in voting for a party that represent my interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Good to see that when I asked what makes Corbyn better than Dugdale, not one mention of the shambles of what Dugdale has actually done came up. The focus was entirely on Corbyn. Which is pretty typical. Attack Corbyn and just ignore everything else. It really is funny how rattled they are, If there was a scruffy mumbleclown who was more in line with what they wanted, they'd have come nowhere near this reaction. They'd have accepted it despite him being a total shitehawk. Better yet, if it was Dugdale, they'd probably just lay down and accept that too. She's exactly the sort of opportunistic idiot that they crave. Hell, they practically admitted that not long ago in this thread. Absolutely nothing matters other than getting rid of Corbyn. Not even who takes his place matters and how "electable" they are. They just need rid of Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 hours ago, jmothecat said: Then I'm sure you will agree he has been a disaster who completely lacks the ability to lead a serious party. I missed another alternative earlier - maybe you're just not bright enough to realise that this is real life we're talking about, not the X-Factor politics so beloved of your hero Bliar. As for Labour being a British Party*, if you don't buy into the idea of an International Socialist Movement then you're definitely in the wrong Party - although so are many of those in the PLP. *"..for British people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: I missed another alternative earlier - maybe you're just not bright enough to realise that this is real life we're talking about, not the X-Factor politics so beloved of your hero Bliar. As for Labour being a British Party*, if you don't buy into the idea of an International Socialist Movement then you're definitely in the wrong Party - although so are many of those in the PLP. *"..for British people"? Yes, it is real life. That's why this is so important. We cannot afford to live in moral purity but electoral oblivion that keeping Corbyn will lead to. This matters a lot. As for a 'British party' I meant it in the sense that they are a party in Britain who campaign in British elections, but I'm sure you knew that and have deliberately misunderstood it to try to make some sort of point. Considering the context of my post it's pretty clear what I meant considering I was arguing against the very thing you are suggesting I am in favour of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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