wirez Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Honestly seen a busier cinema on a Tuesday night a couple month back watching that Jack Reacher film. That was utter pish as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Only a matter of time before David Miliband's return! Has he been away for long enough to shake off his Blairite connections is a different question perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 hours ago, RedRob72 said: Only a matter of time before David Miliband's return! Has he been away for long enough to shake off his Blairite connections is a different question perhaps? Milliband is making more money in his cushy job in the USA than he ever would as PM. He could be lured back I suppose, but even him being Labour leader won't guarantee a Labour win at Westminster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Periodic reminder that David Miliband remains one of the only people to have lost an election to Ed Miliband outside of Doncaster North. He was not ever, contrary to popular belief, good at politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Periodic reminder that David Miliband remains one of the only people to have lost an election to Ed Miliband outside of Doncaster North. He was not ever, contrary to popular belief, good at politics. He is however incredibly photogenic, which in these media driven times is very important . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Milibands shouldn't be allowed to hold food near cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think people rate David Miliband because they imagine this big success story since the alternative didn't work out. He bottled challenging Brown (but caused much disruption anyway) and he lost the leadership bid because he couldn't be fucked to ask certain people to vote for him (who should have been easy to persuade). There's no evidence to really suggest he'd be this amazing leader and play good politics. As much as people don't like Ed, I thought he was a pretty smart guy who followed a lot of conceptual logic by putting forward a manifesto with come across as pretty balanced to the Middle England voter but with a few elements of progress towards the left. Despite not trying to piss everyone off, he ended up not inspiring his base and also being despised by the non politically engaged public. Being a successful political leader depends on quite a lot though and getting someone to come in and say 'we're too left wing' over and over again isn't really certain to work. They really need to create a human in a lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 13 hours ago, RedRob72 said: Only a matter of time before David Miliband's return! Has he been away for long enough to shake off his Blairite connections is a different question perhaps? Miliband isn't the type of person you want in the Labour Party never mind being the leader. His toys out of the pram strop when he lost to his brother was a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Miliband isn't the type of person you want in the Labour Party never mind being the leader. His toys out of the pram strop when he lost to his brother was a disgrace. Never been a Labour voter, but reckon he'd get more public support than Corbyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 He helped perpetuate that narrative as well where his brother "stabbed him in the back". Aye by running for the same position as he did and beating him fair and square. [emoji1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 13/02/2017 at 18:42, jmothecat said: Who are the purgers? The over dosing on All Bran brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: Never been a Labour voter, but reckon he'd get more public support than Corbyn? He might but we'll have to wait until the Spring of 2020 to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 He might but we'll have to wait until the Spring of 2020 to find out Scotland will be gone by then. There isn't a Labour politician out there to cover the ground they've lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: Scotland will be gone by then. There isn't a Labour politician out there to cover the ground they've lost. Gone in terms of Labour presence in Westminster or gone through a second Indy Ref? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 14 hours ago, DrewDon said: Periodic reminder that David Miliband remains one of the only people to have lost an election to Ed Miliband outside of Doncaster North. He was not ever, contrary to popular belief, good at politics. That says a lot more about the gormless electorate that chooses UK Labour leaders than it does about David Milliband tbh. As amply demonstrated by a similar, gormless electorate's selection and confirmation of their current, absolutely useless mumbleclown of a leader, all the way through to their barely-reaching-150-seats shoeing in the 2020 election. An entire decade will pass without trade unions or the other external backers of the mumbleclown having any influence in governing circles whatsoever; at the precise moment when workers' rights can be frittered away as European legislation is rolled back. They're evidently all absolutely fucking gubbins at politics themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, virginton said: That says a lot more about the gormless electorate that chooses UK Labour leaders than it does about David Milliband tbh. As amply demonstrated by a similar, gormless electorate's selection and confirmation of their current, absolutely useless mumbleclown of a leader, all the way through to their barely-reaching-150-seats shoeing in the 2020 election. An entire decade will pass without trade unions or the other external backers of the mumbleclown having any influence in governing circles whatsoever; at the precise moment when workers' rights can be frittered away as European legislation is rolled back. They're evidently all absolutely fucking gubbins at politics themselves. David Miliband has nobody to blame but himself for failing to win in 2010. The PLP was broadly supportive of his candidacy, he had a grassroots membership that favoured him over his brother, his campaign boasted far superior resources, the media had a collective hard-on for him, and the left-wing of the Labour Party was in no fit state to credibly contest an internal leadership election. Just like with the aborted Brown coup after the European election in 2009, he absolutely fucked it. Conditions could barely have been more favourable to him, but a mixture of his own hubris and complacency allowed Ed, who was basically best known as David's younger brother before that, to nick it. Not to mention that he had more or less been auditioning for the job since Blair was in office. If he couldn't win the leadership in 2010, he absolutely did not deserve a shot at a general election; a horrendously overrated politician who believed his own hype but never followed through. That he is still the favoured loser-in-exile of the Labour Right says more about the dearth of much discernible talent on the PLP benches than it does about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Ed Milliband had the backing of the major trade unions, who you have conveniently excluded from your list of seemingly unassailable advantages for a candidate from the 'Labour Right'. The unions being a far more significant element in any Labour leadership contest in history than either the backing of "mainstream media" or an entirely undefined level of "grassroots support". The candidate that held the backing of the trade union left won - though to be fair, given that those organisations pretty much fund the Labour circus act anyway, they have a decent case to making that decision. The problem for the entire rabble is that both the trade unions and the Labour left are utterly useless at politics - which is why your political party is circling the drain, never to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Em, well, no. David won majorities amongst the PLP and the grassroots members, which constituted two-thirds of the pre-Collins electoral college. He literally needed four more second preferences from MPs, which should have been easily attainable, to render his brother's trade union support irrelevant to the overall outcome. He couldn't manage that, though, because he was pretty rubbish at politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 David Miliband has nobody to blame but himself for failing to win in 2010. The PLP was broadly supportive of his candidacy, he had a grassroots membership that favoured him over his brother, his campaign boasted far superior resources, the media had a collective hard-on for him, and the left-wing of the Labour Party was in no fit state to credibly contest an internal leadership election. Just like with the aborted Brown coup after the European election in 2009, he absolutely fucked it. Conditions could barely have been more favourable to him, but a mixture of his own hubris and complacency allowed Ed, who was basically best known as David's younger brother before that, to nick it. Not to mention that he had more or less been auditioning for the job since Blair was in office. If he couldn't win the leadership in 2010, he absolutely did not deserve a shot at a general election; a horrendously overrated politician who believed his own hype but never followed through. That he is still the favoured loser-in-exile of the Labour Right says more about the dearth of much discernible talent on the PLP benches than it does about anything else. I don't know anyone who is seriously entertaining the notion of David Miliband being the next Labour leader. I don't think your analysis is particularly accurate, Ed Miliband had almost all the left-wing press (Guardian, New Statesmen etc) endorsing him and the support of the unions. David Miliband had a better analysis of Labour's problems and a better understanding of the electorate at large than Miliband the younger. It's impossible to say whether David would have done any better in the 2015 election than Ed did, but Ed was a terrible leader. In comparison with Corbyn he may look good, but he was awful and I definitely think the wrong Miliband won that election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Can't stand David Miliband, but any Labour Leader who didn't spend his entire period in charge allowing the Tories to blame Labour for the global recession would probably have done a better job. I can't see someone like David Miliband being the man to turn the tide against this bizarre, racism-driven, "anti-Establishment" backlash that is fucking the left the World over though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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