Kuro Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 They've just been running the clock down all along knowing this is the default option. Now they are in the endgame of that. And when it is no deal.they'll blame the EU's 'intransigence' when really it was the UK goverments unacceptable demands that scuppered a deal at every stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 They fail to leave on October 31st so point the finger and blame and peoples get angry. How quickly can they call a general election? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375 If you can't see by now it's going to be no deal you're beyond help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Kuro said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375 If you can't see by now it's going to be no deal you're beyond help. Not if parliament votes no confidence to force an extension 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Donathan said: Not if parliament votes no confidence to force an extension Then it will just be no deal three months later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, Donathan said: Not if parliament votes no confidence to force an extension A No Confidence vote doesn't force an extension. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Detournement said: A No Confidence vote doesn't force an extension. There are two ways for parliament to prevent a no-deal and force an extension at this point: 1. A repeat of April's Cooper-Letwin bill which compels the PM to go to Brussels and ask for an extension, although it would have to be more well written than the previous one (As the previous one had no mechanism to prevent the PM either making ridiculous demands to force Brussels to veto the request, or requesting a very short extension and then no-dealing) 2. Successful no confidence vote in the government, then install a temporary unity government to go to Brussels for an extension before calling a GE. Such government would likely include figures such as Oliver Letwin, Keir Starmer, Yvette Cooper and Rory Stewart as well as senior Lib Dems and the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Donathan said: 1. A repeat of April's Cooper-Letwin bill which compels the PM to go to Brussels and ask for an extension For what purpose? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: For what purpose? Avoiding a no deal Brexit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Avoiding a no deal Brexit Why would the EU agree to an extension? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Why would the EU agree to an extension? To avoid no deal, same reason they agreed to the last two extensions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: There are two ways for parliament to prevent a no-deal and force an extension at this point: 1. A repeat of April's Cooper-Letwin bill which compels the PM to go to Brussels and ask for an extension, although it would have to be more well written than the previous one (As the previous one had no mechanism to prevent the PM either making ridiculous demands to force Brussels to veto the request, or requesting a very short extension and then no-dealing) 2. Successful no confidence vote in the government, then install a temporary unity government to go to Brussels for an extension before calling a GE. Such government would likely include figures such as Oliver Letwin, Keir Starmer, Yvette Cooper and Rory Stewart as well as senior Lib Dems and the SNP. In both cases, the UK would have to hope that the EU would be willing to extend the leaving date again. They told May not to waste the extension time on the first occasion, but the Tories have wasted most of it already. Eventually, they will (rightly) tell the UK to "f*ck off". There's a good chance that this will be the time they choose to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Donathan said: 1. A repeat of April's Cooper-Letwin bill 2. Successful no confidence vote in the government, then install a temporary unity government to go to Brussels for an extension before calling a GE. Such government would likely include figures such as Oliver Letwin, Keir Starmer, Yvette Cooper and Rory Stewart as well as senior Lib Dems and the SNP. 1. Nothing can compel Boris to ask for or agree to an extension. He has executive power over this. 2. There is no majority for an Arsehole Alliance. If the likes of Letwin want an extension they will need to vote for Jezza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Detournement said: 2. There is no majority for an Arsehole Alliance. If the likes of Letwin want an extension they will need to vote for Jezza. Especially this. If Westminster could be controlled by a group of remainer MP's the EU wouldn't grant an extension, instead they would tell the "unity" government to get on with staying within the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Especially this. If Westminster could be controlled by a group of remainer MP's the EU wouldn't grant an extension, instead they would tell the "unity" government to get on with staying within the EU. There'd need to be an extension to do that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: There'd need to be an extension to do that. No there wouldn't. We're currently in the EU, we haven't left yet. There would be no extension, we'd simply remain. The fact is though, there isn't a majority for remain in parliament so it's not going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: There'd need to be an extension to do that. It would be in the EU's best interest to grant another extension - the longer the better, in the hope that some of the government will eventually see some sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Malky3 said: No there wouldn't. We're currently in the EU, we haven't left yet. There would be no extension, we'd simply remain. The fact is though, there isn't a majority for remain in parliament so it's not going to happen. Default position is leave at the end of October. We can't simply remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Malky3 said: No there wouldn't. We're currently in the EU, we haven't left yet. There would be no extension, we'd simply remain. The fact is though, there isn't a majority for remain in parliament so it's not going to happen. We leave on 31 October unless there's an extension or revocation. That's approaching quickly. 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: It would be in the EU's best interest to grant another extension - the longer the better, in the hope that some of the government will eventually see some sense. At some point some of the EU27 are going to prioritise a resolution over an extension. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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