Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Michael W]

Everything else aside, it is a genuine  disgrace that this is being published whilst everyone is off for Christmas. 

I look forward to the deal being cherry picked with cheers of success for products maintaining a level of access they already had and disproportionate outrage for some products in some instances where a product with small export volumes doesn't have the level of access it did previously. Neither side will have actually read the fucking thing, of course. That said, we all know the deal will be inferior - the only thing is to find out how inferior. 

Ought to be fun watching Tory MPs try and sink it because of fish yet again, though. I've tried to work this one, but just can't - why is fishing such a cause célèbre? 

Edited December 24, 2020 by Michael W

[Benjamin_Nevis]

2 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Ought to be fun watching Tory MPs try and sink it because of fish yet again, though. I've tried to work this one, but just can't - why is fishing such a cause célèbre? 

I can only assume it's linked to some ridiculous gammon ideal of Britannia ruling the waves. Basically their wet dreams of empire and our grand old navy have been reduced to debating which fishing boats can catch a load of fish that british folk rarely eat, and where they can do it. Nonsense. 

[John Lambies Doos]

f**k you fermers
 
 

Victory for Eire and defeat for all the tattie munching jokes

Great having a big brother looking after you.

[bendan]

25 minutes ago, Michael W said:

 Ought to be fun watching Tory MPs try and sink it because of fish yet again, though. I've tried to work this one, but just can't - why is fishing such a cause célèbre? 

It really is an indication of how ridiculous our political culture is. It's probably always been like this to some degree, but it is quite odd that in age where people have access to information at their fingertips we're fixated on such irrational arguments.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

There was some idiotic cow (Scottish ironically) on 5Live yesterday adamant that the UK should import absolutely nothing from abroad, and that we should all only buy produce grown or reared in the UK.

So we should forget about oranges, grapefruit, bananas, lemons, olives, camembert, parma ham, champagne and all wines not cultivated in Kent, and exist all year on potatoes, cabbage and whatever British producers can manage to get from the ground in December. 

She did everything apart from call for spitfires to be manufactured once more and for boats to set sail for Dunkirk. 

I don't know what you can do about these people, apart from hope that they'll all die off soon. 

 

There are people who think like this.  People who genuinely have no concept of the global market.  These people are allowed to vote when it’s debatable whether they should be allowed to breath.

[LongTimeLurker]

17 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Victory for Eire and defeat for all the tattie munching jokes

Great having a big brother looking after you.

Unless they fall out over the last details on fisheries, the imminent Brexit deal appears to be soft enough with Farage and assorted kippers not being happy campers that UI is unlikely to be happening as quickly, if ever, as it might have in a No Deal sort of environment where there would be a much more significant barrier to trade between Stranraer and Larne.

[LongTimeLurker]

4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Even though it'll junk UK GDP for a decade it'll probably lop a few percent off the pro independence majority too if its soft enough.

Think so and might make an SNP election campaign for Holyrood revolving around an imminent referendum dicey in majority terms. Time will tell. Longer term though it's difficult to peddle fear stories about hard borders in future after all this.

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

 

Even at that it will have... " Take all the fish you want, we don't eat it anyway. Don't tell anybody though".

[peternapper]

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

There was some idiotic cow (Scottish ironically) on 5Live yesterday adamant that the UK should import absolutely nothing from abroad, and that we should all only buy produce grown or reared in the UK.

So we should forget about oranges, grapefruit, bananas, lemons, olives, camembert, parma ham, champagne and all wines not cultivated in Kent, and exist all year on potatoes, cabbage and whatever British producers can manage to get from the ground in December. 

She did everything apart from call for spitfires to be manufactured once more and for boats to set sail for Dunkirk. 

I don't know what you can do about these people, apart from hope that they'll all die off soon. 

 

Her name did not happen to be Ruth was it?

 

[Hedgecutter]

I can only assume it's linked to some ridiculous gammon ideal of Britannia ruling the waves. Basically their wet dreams of empire and our grand old navy have been reduced to debating which fishing boats can catch a load of fish that british folk rarely eat, and where they can do it. Nonsense. 

Not just that, but the Brixteer's dream image of the U.K. having complete control over who and when people can enter the country for financial opportunities. The idea of knowing that they don't have that control over flooded parts of the territory where foreigners would be coming in for nothing other than financial gain shits all over their parade.

[bendan]

3 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

Not just that, but the Brixteer's dream image of the U.K. having complete control over who and when people can enter the country for financial opportunities. The idea of knowing that they don't have that control over flooded parts of the territory where foreigners would be coming in for nothing other than financial gain shits all over their parade.

This is probably a dumb question, but was the discussion solely about EU access to UK waters, or mutual access? I haven't seen a single mention of UK boats still having some access to EU waters.

[John Lambies Doos]

Even though it'll junk UK GDP for a decade it'll probably lop a few percent off the pro independence majority too if its soft enough.

I disagree with this tbf. I'd imagine any deal will favour NI over Scotland, protocols are not relevant due to likely deal but the Government have shown their hand and you can guarantee that the ROI have influenced in UI favour.

Also, a no deal scenario would have been a disaster for Scotland in terms of economy and independence. Regarding independence, soft yes/no voters Stockholm tendencies would have increased as likely to stick with devil they know..... PLUS hard border stories would be easy to peddle. Now, if EU accepts an indy Scotland then we have an implemented trade deal in place where Scotland can trade with England (in fact, might even favour us) Negates scare stories.
Now it's over to the Scottish Government and independence movement to convince Scotland that they are been shafted by this deal, quite easy to do tbf considering Services equate to 80% plus of Scotland's GDP and there is 'no deal there'. Not to mention the distain for the guy selling it.

All in all, I see independence pushing on from this.

[Hedgecutter]

There was also the Remainers' perception of the ROI being some sort of poor man of the British Isles in which any move towards their situation would be a negative. Post-Brexit, the same people might be looking across the Irish Sea and suddenly thinking " hey, maybe it's not so bad after all", which would certainly be a boost for the indy camp.

[Guest Jedi]

Inevitable that the right wing media are selling it as a huge victory for Johnson...giving him his tagline for the next election that he got Brexit done, as he can only speak in three word slogans.

How many who voted Leave will even read any of the actual document?

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Jedi said:

Inevitable that the right wing media are selling it as a huge victory for Johnson...giving him his tagline for the next election that he got Brexit done, as he can only speak in three word slogans.

How many who voted Leave will even read any of the actual document?

Johnson’s popularity and ability to sell this as a success will depend on the response from Farage, the IRG and other staunch Brexiteers.  If they make accusations of him having capitulated it will make life much more difficult in the populist media.

 

[coprolite]

Soft brexit just means that this shit will drag on for a few more years. 

Gammons will blame the inevitable economic slump on the EU's "demands" and hinder any actual government busines. 

It would be best if we just moved directly to the civil war and rid ourselves of the retrograde arseholes. 

[John Lambies Doos]

Phenomenal heads gone on Twitter on the seed potatoes issue.
Some BritNat farmers trying to sweep it under the carpet..... due to their staunchness

[John Lambies Doos]

Soft brexit just means that this shit will drag on for a few more years. 
Gammons will blame the inevitable economic slump on the EU's "demands" and hinder any actual government busines. 
It would be best if we just moved directly to the civil war and rid ourselves of the retrograde arseholes. 

Ha ha, let's not pretend this deal would be a soft brexit. Remember a soft brexit was a Norway style deal.
Catastrophe waiting to happen 1st January.

[coprolite]

2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Ha ha, let's not pretend this deal would be a soft brexit. Remember a soft brexit was a Norway style deal.
Catastrophe waiting to happen 1st January.

It's a matter of perspective i guess. Anything short of a naval blockade will look soft to the ERG types. 

[Guest Jedi]

17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Johnson’s popularity and ability to sell this as a success will depend on the response from Farage, the IRG and other staunch Brexiteers.  If they make accusations of him having capitulated it will make life much more difficult in the populist media.

 

Very true.