Distant Doonhamer Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Presumably some of our "fellow Brits" down south really want us to f**k off on our own. No sense of irony. Edited March 29, 2019 by Distant Doonhamer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 7 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Well, I for one have enjoyed the first 20 minutes of the sunlit uplands of Brexit. My life has improved immeasurably. How are all of tonight's other street parties going? I've the bunting up. Freedom!!!!! I hope that that's some proper BRITISH freedom bunting. You wouldn't want to be associated with nasty nationalist separatist posturing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 I hope that that's some proper BRITISH freedom bunting. You wouldn't want to be associated with nasty nationalist separatist posturing.Of course, I'm not a narrow minded nationalist in any way. f**k the EU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 14 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: I hope that that's some proper BRITISH freedom bunting. You wouldn't want to be associated with nasty nationalist separatist posturing. Of course, I'm not a narrow minded nationalist in any way. f**k the EU Excellent. Here's a picture of the main "leave" street party in Lochgilphead taken just 10 minutes ago. That's me on the far right Edited March 29, 2019 by lichtgilphead 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Dominic Grieve loses vote of confidence at local Conservative Association. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 Dominic Grieve loses vote of confidence at local Conservative Association. That's because he's an enemy of democracy. Probably won't respect this vote either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, dee_62 said: Dominic Grieve loses vote of confidence at local Conservative Association. ...and the UKIP-isation of the Tory party continues. Good news for all decent people, as around 100K ageing Tory bigots get rid of the sensible centralists in a desperate attempt to rewind the country to the glory days of the Victorian era. It'll destroy their party, which is great news all round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, dee_62 said: Dominic Grieve loses vote of confidence at local Conservative Association. Hopefully the Labour Party will be equally as ruthless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: Hopefully the Labour Party will be equally as ruthless. If the Tories tear themselves apart,then Labour should be doing the exact opposite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 A lot more talk this morning about a GE. Whilst it would be welcome a second referendum would be more decisive. It’s quite possible that there would still not be consensus in a new Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 A lot more talk this morning about a GE. Whilst it would be welcome a second referendum would be more decisive. It’s quite possible that there would still not be consensus in a new Parliament. Stop talking rubbish, a second referendum solves nothing apart from having more referendums. Best of 3 would be the reply if remain won.An election could work if it gives one party a majority. The best solution at this time is a compromise deal which means those on the no deal side and those on the revoke side need to move.Revokers are just as damaging as no deal Brexiteers at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: ...and the UKIP-isation of the Tory party continues. Good news for all decent people, as around 100K ageing Tory bigots get rid of the sensible centralists in a desperate attempt to rewind the country to the glory days of the Victorian era. It'll destroy their party, which is great news all round. Look at Grieve's voting record. He is a right wing arsehole (who happens to have property in France). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 A lot more talk this morning about a GE. Whilst it would be welcome a second referendum would be more decisive. It’s quite possible that there would still not be consensus in a new Parliament. Yeah, definitely not guaranteed to solve anything. More likely to box parties in to manifesto commitments designed to appeal to their base, which won’t help anyone. Curtice’s current projection has the Tories as the biggest party with a reduced number of MPs, but a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition would have a decent majority. Every chance Corbyn would be locked into delivering some pishy ‘jobs first’ Brexit from the manifesto that the SNP/Lib Dems wouldn’t sign up for though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: A lot more talk this morning about a GE. Whilst it would be welcome a second referendum would be more decisive. It’s quite possible that there would still not be consensus in a new Parliament. I've always been wary of a second referendum, both on democratic grounds – the first referendum and the subsequent Parliamentary election where both major parties endorsed its result – and the fact It's being promoted as the obvious solution while nobody seems to address the deeper question of why people voted Leave. It's not enough to say Leavers were racists and ignorant. It's the same blindness you see in the US where efforts to impeach Trump only mask the fact that he's a symptom of something much bigger that needs to be tackled. But more practically, why would a second referendum be more decisive? We don't even know what the questions would be and even if it was reduced to a simple binary choice, what if Leave won again? We'd be in the same position, with the same sclerotic Parliament. A general election though, would mark a natural failure of the Government to implement a manifesto commitment. It happens all the time. It's tried to implement Brexit and failed. An election might produce a pro-Brexit majority or might not. I'll live with that chance. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 An interesting caveat in Clarke's motion reading it again, is that they accept May's deal but only on the condition of tacking on staying in the customs union. Surely that still requires the £39 billion payment, and the transition period of a year and a half etc.....Could be that May has to come round to this, dropping the red lines on CU and implementing the rest of her plan. All sounds like a bit of a mish mash at the moment (doesn't all of it), but we could end up with some form of alignment if Clarke's motion can gain support, then she would have yet another go, probably next week with the Withdrawal Agreement plus CU, which could potentially pass. (It can b a MV3 as it is substantially different as a motion). Not sure how the backstop staying in there, as it would have to with her deal fits with the CU though, as that removes the need for a backstop, presumably because NI and ROI have the same tariff arrangements, as does the rUK to keep everyone allinged with the EU. Ultimately, it looks like a bit of a holding arrangement to get this over the line. Given that Lab support a CU (today anyway) are they able to get on board with May's deal plus CU? Not sure how a run off between May deal plus CU v Remain wold fit a confirmatory Ref afterwards...that might have to be dropped if this deal can be done. The way things are any confirmatory referendum will be just that - yes or no to the deal agreed by Parliament - Remain won't be on the ballot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 A boat will fix it all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Yeah, definitely not guaranteed to solve anything. More likely to box parties in to manifesto commitments designed to appeal to their base, which won’t help anyone. Curtice’s current projection has the Tories as the biggest party with a reduced number of MPs, but a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition would have a decent majority. Every chance Corbyn would be locked into delivering some pishy ‘jobs first’ Brexit from the manifesto that the SNP/Lib Dems wouldn’t sign up for though. SNP will not go into coalition - any deal to support a Labour government would be on a supply and confidence basis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iminavest Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, doulikefish said: A boat will fix it all More likely to untie than unite the country, I'd say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: ...and the UKIP-isation of the Tory party continues. Good news for all decent people, as around 100K ageing Tory bigots get rid of the sensible centralists in a desperate attempt to rewind the country to the glory days of the Victorian era. It'll destroy their party, which is great news all round. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111912246337245185 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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