Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 The UK has been de-industrialising for 35 years. That can't be put down to Brexit. Nissan will close because the EU signed a deal allowing Japan to import cars into the single market tariff free. Ford is closing because they want a lower wage workforce for the next generation of vehicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 hours ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: People living hand to mouth have no interest in politics Absolute nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Nissan will close because the EU signed a deal allowing Japan to import cars into the single market tariff free. Indeed. Japan has a trade deal with the EU. Little England won't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Indeed. Japan has a trade deal with the EU. Little England won't. Aye it's a trade deal which fucks over ordinary workers and benefits the rich. Not exactly something to crow about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Aye it's a trade deal which fucks over ordinary workers and benefits the rich. Not exactly something to crow about. Who's crowing? And it isn't the trade deal that's fucked over the ordinary workers, it's their stupidity in voting for Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Who's crowing? And it isn't the trade deal that's fucked over the ordinary workers, it's their stupidity in voting for Brexit. Tariff free cars from Japan fucks over European worker in the car industry. Again as I said de-industrialisation has been going on for 30 odd years. What has happened in the past three years is just an extension of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Tariff free cars from Japan fucks over European worker in the car industry. Well boo fucking hoo. Are European car industry workers so special that they need to be protected? This is good news for European car consumers who'll be able to get better cars cheaper. It's also good news for car industry workers in Japan. Are you not happy for them? As an international socialist you should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I read the other day that “Little Englander” apparently originally meant to belittle liberals who wanted the UK to scale back its imperial commitments. Weird how it’s mutated into its current form if that’s the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Well boo fucking hoo. Are European car industry workers so special that they need to be protected? This is good news for European car consumers who'll be able to get better cars cheaper. It's also good news for car industry workers in Japan. Are you not happy for them? As an international socialist you should be. You are the thickest person on here. I actually feel stupider replying to you. Yes workers need to be protected from mobile international capital to prevent a race to the bottom. No cars won't get cheaper as the cost of manufacture isn't directly linked to sales price. You don't have a clue what socialism is and viewing the economy as some sort of global zero sum game where one worker's loss is the gain of another has no connection to reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: You are the thickest person on here. I actually feel stupider replying to you. Yes workers need to be protected from mobile international capital to prevent a race to the bottom. No cars won't get cheaper as the cost of manufacture isn't directly linked to sales price. You don't have a clue what socialism is and viewing the economy as some sort of global zero sum game where one worker's loss is the gain of another has no connection to reality. What can you say about this gibberish? No, workers don't need to be protected from mobile international capital. Mobile international capital is a fact of life. Fighting against it is like fighting gravity. Good luck with that. Consumers need to be protected against protectionism, especially protectionism imposed by socialists. The cost of car manufacturer is directly linked to sales price. Manufacturers wouldn't last long if they sold for less than cost. I'm well aware of what socialism is and isn't. You dreary little Englanders have completely forgotten what the Internationale is. You're right that the economy isn't a global zero sum game. Unfortunately socialists think it is with their endless inability to do more than see their little corner of it. No wonder changes in the global economy surprise and confuse them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Well boo fucking hoo. Are European car industry workers so special that they need to be protected? This is good news for European car consumers who'll be able to get better cars cheaper. It's also good news for car industry workers in Japan. Are you not happy for them? As an international socialist you should be. Unless of course these car consumers work in the (soon to be) non-existent European car industry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Unless of course these car consumers work in the (soon to be) non-existent European car industry. Any reason you believe the European car industry will soon cease to exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 You obviously can't follow a conversation - read this page from the top. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: You obviously can't follow a conversation - read this page from the top. A simple "no" would have sufficed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: A simple "no" would have sufficed. No it wouldn't have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 This guy has just quit as the head of No Deal Brexit planning. Maybe it’s so he can go back and finish his A levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: This guy has just quit as the head of No Deal Brexit planning. Maybe it’s so he can go back and finish his A levels. Go and buy his first razor blades and razor, Shirley? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Well boo fucking hoo. Are European car industry workers so special that they need to be protected? This is good news for European car consumers who'll be able to get better cars cheaper. It's also good news for car industry workers in Japan. Are you not happy for them? As an international socialist you should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Unless of course these car consumers work in the (soon to be) non-existent European car industry. We'll have a brand new British car industry for British people, protected by massive tariffs to stop us buying those fancy foreign ones. Of course, because we won't be able to sell any abroad, to preserve the economies of scale it will have to be only one model, any colour you want as long as it's black. And to make them affordable they'll have to be built by robots. But if socialism is incompatible with free trade it will be a price worth paying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Think its worth noting that Toyota are far and away the market leader when it comes to hybrid technology, too... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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