Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Is the country really so polarised ?

Are 50% of the population HARDCORE BREXITEERS and the other 50% HARDCORE REMAINERS ?

Does the entire population have a "black or white" view on this ??

Reading the mainstream media and even many of the posts on here that's what one would be led to believe, however I'm not so sure myself.

I reckon there's probably more than half the population couldn't really give a stuff one way or the other and there's surely a large percentage who might have a preference however they're not "dyed in the wool" and certainly not willing to die for their cause.

As such, I'd take all the sensationalism with a rather large pinch of salt.........

Heres a cracking idea then, split the country in 2, us remainers can have the north, say Scotland down to Manchester. The idiots can have the south.

[ICTJohnboy]

1 minute ago, Hedgecutter said:

 

Yeah, that sort of thing multiplied by about 5 million.

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Heres a cracking idea then, split the country in 2, us remainers can have the north, say Scotland down to Manchester. The idiots can have the south.

The north of England is a fucking shitehole. I think we should pass on that offer. 

[ICTJohnboy]

3 minutes ago, virginton said:

The north of England is a fucking shitehole. I think we should pass on that offer. 

 

I can vouch for that.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Is the country really so polarised ?

Are 50% of the population HARDCORE BREXITEERS and the other 50% HARDCORE REMAINERS ?

Does the entire population have a "black or white" view on this ??

Reading the mainstream media and even many of the posts on here that's what one would be led to believe, however I'm not so sure myself.

I reckon there's probably more than half the population couldn't really give a stuff one way or the other and there's surely a large percentage who might have a preference however they're not "dyed in the wool" and certainly not willing to die for their cause.

As such, I'd take all the sensationalism with a rather large pinch of salt.........

I'm probably one of the more active posters on here when it comes to real-life politics, and my opinion is not represented in the binary choice. Never has been, never will be.

I don't necessarily agree we* should remain. I think there are a lot of areas where we could easily workoutwith, but in accord with, the EU.

I certainly don't believe that it was ever realistic that life for Mr and Mrs Average was ever going to improve by leaving the EU. Years of Spitfire/White Cliffs "negotiation" has done nothing to reassure me.

In short, we could do with trying to reform the EU from within and, if unsuccessful, look at leaving in the future. Cutting all ties and becoming world-leaders in the "countries without a trade deal - of any description, with anyone, any fucking where" hasn't been a great idea, imho.

People who cleave to "hardcore" remain or leave tend, in my experience to not only have made their mind up on unrelated criteria but also to be disinclined to listen to any contrary opinion.

 

[Gaz FFC]

3 hours ago, Romeo said:

What would happen if the queen were to drop dead right now?

I'd go home and celebrate I reckon

ETA she might finally do something for me and get me the day off for her funeral (which I won't watch)

Edited August 28, 2019 by Gaz FFC

[WhiteRoseKillie]

11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Heres a cracking idea then, split the country in 2, us remainers can have the north, say Scotland down to Manchester. The idiots can have the south.

(Quick check - approx 30 miles North of Manchester)

I'm in. In fairness, though, could we keep Sheffield as well? Got some mates there, and the Children's Hospital sorted Rosette No. 2 back in the day.

[Ross.]

1 minute ago, Gaz FFC said:

I'd go home and celebrate I reckon

I won't get a day off for it, so I won't particularly care.

[Gaz FFC]

Just now, Ross. said:

I won't get a day off for it, so I won't particularly care.

I sense most Brits wouldn't care until they found out they were getting a  day off.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I'm probably one of the more active posters on here when it comes to real-life politics, and my opinion is not represented in the binary choice. Never has been, never will be.

I don't necessarily agree we* should remain. I think there are a lot of areas where we could easily workoutwith, but in accord with, the EU.

I certainly don't believe that it was ever realistic that life for Mr and Mrs Average was ever going to improve by leaving the EU. Years of Spitfire/White Cliffs "negotiation" has done nothing to reassure me.

In short, we could do with trying to reform the EU from within and, if unsuccessful, look at leaving in the future. Cutting all ties and becoming world-leaders in the "countries without a trade deal - of any description, with anyone, any fucking where" hasn't been a great idea, imho.

People who cleave to "hardcore" remain or leave tend, in my experience to not only have made their mind up on unrelated criteria but also to be disinclined to listen to any contrary opinion.

 

Good post and pretty much my own stance.

I know you're a Labour man and I'm an SNP member but we're both adult enough to appreciate that ALL parties have their faults.

Although a Nationalist, I'm also a Socialist (does that make me a Nazi ?) and from a Scottish perspective I always felt that Labour burnt their socialist bridges, as it were, under Blair & Brown, although quite frankly they've done nothing for Scotland throughout my lifetime and often just took us all for granted, and of course the SNP were only too happy to take that ground which makes them a natural choice for my politics.

Unfortunately, they're far from perfect and similar to Labour before them they've done very little to promote or assist my area of the country which is Ayrshire, in fact one of the major criticisms is that there's far too much emphasis placed on Edinburgh and the East coast to the detriment of the rest of the country which of course is just like the London argument at the end of the day.

That being said, they're still the best of a bad bunch in my opinion and as such will continue to get my support for the foreseeable future.........

[Hedgecutter]

12 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

(Quick check - approx 30 miles North of Manchester)

I'm in. In fairness, though, could we keep Sheffield as well? Got some mates there, and the Children's Hospital sorted Rosette No. 2 back in the day.

I know some folk from the Burnley area and all without exception have been racist Colin Hendry-hating leave supporters.  We'd need a wall.  A big one.

Would also end the influx of shite Pendle kits.

[The Moonster]

I think the worst thing about all of this is the number of the general public who are shrugging their shoulders and asking "what does that mean?". Our people are so far detached from the actual workings of government and our media do an absolutely terrible job of explaining just how serious some things are.

If we don't end up with independence off the back of this fucking shambles, I give up.

[ArabianKnight]

Just now, The Moonster said:

I think the worst thing about all of this is the number of the general public who are shrugging their shoulders and asking "what does that mean?". Our people are so far detached from the actual workings of government and our media do an absolutely terrible job of explaining just how serious some things are.

If we don't end up with independence off the back of this fucking shambles, I give up.

I'm equal parts horrified and elated today. Boris just handed Scotland its independence on a plate. 

[ICTJohnboy]

2 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I think the worst thing about all of this is the number of the general public who are shrugging their shoulders and asking "what does that mean?". Our people are so far detached from the actual workings of government and our media do an absolutely terrible job of explaining just how serious some things are.

If we don't end up with independence off the back of this fucking shambles, I give up.

 

The SNP should now be coming out and DEMANDING  Indyref2  NOW.

[The Moonster]

Just now, ICTJohnboy said:

 

The SNP should now be coming out and DEMANDING  Indyref2  NOW.

I'll be shocked if they don't now. The Tories have just blown their load and there's absolutely no good reason to delay it any further.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

10 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Good post and pretty much my own stance.

I know you're a Labour man and I'm an SNP member but we're both adult enough to appreciate that ALL parties have their faults.

Although a Nationalist, I'm also a Socialist (does that make me a Nazi ?) and from a Scottish perspective I always felt that Labour burnt their socialist bridges, as it were, under Blair & Brown, although quite frankly they've done nothing for Scotland throughout my lifetime and often just took us all for granted, and of course the SNP were only too happy to take that ground which makes them a natural choice for my politics.

Unfortunately, they're far from perfect and similar to Labour before them they've done very little to promote or assist my area of the country which is Ayrshire, in fact one of the major criticisms is that there's far too much emphasis placed on Edinburgh and the East coast to the detriment of the rest of the country which of course is just like the London argument at the end of the day.

That being said, they're still the best of a bad bunch in my opinion and as such will continue to get my support for the foreseeable future.........

Agree, there's a lot of overlap in our posting. You're right about the Bliar years - this was when, rather than me leaving Labour, Labour left me and many like me*. The arrogance of taking the Scots vote for granted was, as you rightly say, pounced upon by the SNP. I would caution, though, that a post-independence SNP might well be a totally different animal.

I'm from Kilmarnock myself (surprise!) and sadly, each time I return for a visit, the decay seems to have advanced further. The incredible speed with which Walker's plant just disappeared after closure stopped me in my tracks. I'd been prepared for the usual forlorn empty factory, but that masive gap next to Hill St was surreal. My sister still lives in Killie, but as a recent retiree she's not affected by the employment situation, and has a nice wee house in a recent development. In fairness, though, many places across the country have suffered from the death of manufacturing. York - where I lived for fifteen years before going rural - has a look of a prosperous wee city, but in litle more than a decade in the 80s and 90s lost Redfearn Glass, British Sugar, BREL, Armstrong Engineering, Terry's, Cravens and many city-centre shops. Get away from the city centre tourist traps to Acomb, Clifton and Tang Hall, and the same hopeless future stretches out in front of the next generation.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

19 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

I know some folk from the Burnley area and all without exception have been racist Colin Hendry-hating leave supporters.  We'd need a wall.  A big one.

Would also end the influx of shite Pendle kits.

I was assuming we could keep Greater Manchester as a theme park and fence Lancashire off as some kind of a nature reserve. I'm no adopted Yorkshireman, but there's some proper throwbacks over the pennines.

[SweeperDee]

There needs to be some palpable, and visible action taken by the SNP now. Time for the long-game to become very much the short-game.

[ArabianKnight]

2 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

There needs to be some palpable, and visible action taken by the SNP now. Time for the long-game to become very much the short-game.

Aye. No sitting on their arses here. If they do anything other than go for the jugular with this I'm done with voting SNP. 

[renton]

1 minute ago, ArabianKnight said:

Aye. No sitting on their arses here. If they do anything other than go for the jugular with this I'm done with voting SNP. 

Wouldn't expect to hear much until after the almost inevitable vote of no confidence next week.