sjc Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: And don't forget he voted Leave back in 2016. He should be rejoicing! Who did? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Reports from various sources makes it look like sufficient Labour MPs will take this over the line. Imagine a Labour MP wanting to hand a right wing Tory PM such a huge win weeks before an election. Hopefully they will be denied the need to explain this to voters as Labour candidates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Reports from various sources makes it look like sufficient Labour MPs will take this over the line. Imagine a Labour MP wanting to hand a right wing Tory PM such a huge win weeks before an election. Hopefully they will be denied the need to explain this to voters as Labour candidates. Given that the majority of Labour MPs constituents in the North of England voted to leave, I'd say that they'd be fine with that. Only London, Scotland and Northern Ireland really voted to remain regionally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, sjc said: Given that the majority of Labour MPs constituents in the North of England voted to leave, I'd say that they'd be fine with that. Only London, Scotland and Northern Ireland really voted to remain regionally. We don't know if the majority of Labour voters in the North of England voted Leave though, most estimates say they didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, sjc said: Who did? Granny did, although he's since seen the error of his ways. It's been mentioned before on here , but it's worth repeating that it was people like him who got us into this mess in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, sjc said: Given that the majority of Labour MPs constituents in the North of England voted to leave, I'd say that they'd be fine with that. Only London, Scotland and Northern Ireland really voted to remain regionally. 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: We don't know if the majority of Labour voters in the North of England voted Leave though, most estimates say they didn't. He didn't say "majority of Labour voters", he said "majority of Labour MPs constituents". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: He didn't say "majority of Labour voters", he said "majority of Labour MPs constituents". I know, but the MPs might not be popular with the people who actually voted for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 If this passes and the Tories call a GE and win then we can forget about ScotRef2 for a while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Cerberus said: If this passes and the Tories call a GE and win then we can forget about ScotRef2 for a while. Not if the SNP have a majority of 50+ seats after the GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Various reports of up to 11 labour mps will vote for the deal from various news outlets still leaves it short.However will any tories rebel the other way? Not the ones who had the whip removed but ones still inside the party? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: We don't know if the majority of Labour voters in the North of England voted Leave though, most estimates say they didn't. Given the demographic that suffers most from the free movement of workers is the traditional Labour voter, I'd say it's fairly safe to assume this. Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Granny did, although he's since seen the error of his ways. It's been mentioned before on here , but it's worth repeating that it was people like him who got us into this mess in the first place. I can understand people voting leave, as the neoliberal EU project has hugely increased the gap between "haves" and "have nots". As an educated, experienced Engineer/Project Manager I was fine but I saw first hand the artificial wage suppression of skilled workers lowered by the influx of supposedly qualified skilled workers from Eastern Europe. This suited the international companies two fold in that they saved on the expense of training youngsters plus the influx stemmed demand and lowered wages from their true worth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) Latest Letwin amendment looks like a game changer. ETA looks like all 21 Tory ‘rebels’ are behind it. https://news.sky.com/story/letwin-amendment-could-mean-the-honeymoon-is-over-for-pm-11838756 Edited October 18, 2019 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just posted this and now this article from the torygraphhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/18/friday-evening-news-briefing-two-government-ministers-resignation/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fbVarious reports of up to 11 labour mps will vote for the deal from various news outlets still leaves it short.However will any tories rebel the other way? Not the ones who had the whip removed but ones still inside the party? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Reports from various sources makes it look like sufficient Labour MPs will take this over the line. Imagine a Labour MP wanting to hand a right wing Tory PM such a huge win weeks before an election. Hopefully they will be denied the need to explain this to voters as Labour candidates. They should be hunted into the sea if they do. Handing Johnson another 5 years on a plate if they do. If that's where Labour is as an organisation then the 2 party duopoly is about to reduce by 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 They should be hunted into the sea if they do. Handing Johnson another 5 years on a plate if they do. If that's where Labour is as an organisation then the 2 party duopoly is about to reduce by 1.To think that a bone-headed b*****d like Ronnie Campbell could irrevocably diminish my grand-daughters life chances sickens me to the pit of my stomach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, HTG said: They should be hunted into the sea if they do. Handing Johnson another 5 years on a plate if they do. If that's where Labour is as an organisation then the 2 party duopoly is about to reduce by 1. I think if Johnson’s ‘deal’ goes through then any Labour MPs who back it, or even abstain, will not be Labour candidates in the forthcoming election. Labour have played it canny so far, going for persuasion rather than threats. That might pay dividends in winning support for Letwin’s amendment which it looks like Labour ‘rebels’ might support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, HTG said: They should be hunted into the sea if they do. Handing Johnson another 5 years on a plate if they do. If that's where Labour is as an organisation then the 2 party duopoly is about to reduce by 1. I'm not sure if Labour would lose by Boris getting his deal. If they block it, Boris goes into the election as a heroic failure, stymied by Labour who would never vote FOR anything. If it passes, it's a straightforward battle between deregulated, no workers' rights, sell the NHS to the Yanks deal; and a customs union, rights protected, environmentally responsible, close alignment with the single market deal. No "Labour can't decide, half of them want one thing, the rest want another" spin all over the media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 I think that this deal going through will be fantastic for Scottish independence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 So what is the angle with Labour apparently issuing no admonition to their MP's intending to back Johnson ? Are they trying to appeal to their better judgement in the hope that they reconsider, or fear that going in hard will merely harden their resolve ?It would be fascinating to find out just how many of their constituents are still hell-bent on Brexit in mid-October 2019. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Corbyn is the worst Stalinist ever. When is the fucking purge?!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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