Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[zidane's child]

16 minutes ago, sureiknow said:

Whatever the price is if it has to be paid so be it.

Get out as quickly as we can.

You know it makes sense.

You been reading the Daily Express's economic pages again? 

[sureiknow]

9 minutes ago, zidane's child said:

You been reading the Daily Express's economic pages again? 

Too highbrow gor me.

The Morning Star my usual read.

[Granny Danger]

So we are going into a further rounds of talks where will want to discuss trade issues only to be told yet again that this will only happen once there has been substantial progress on the NI border, rights of EU citizens in the UK and the divorce bill.

Deja vu anyone?

[Alan Stubbs]

I'm not sure Labour switching tactics on Brexit would do them that much good. The out and out f**k Brexit parties haven't done too well recently. Corbyn did a fairly decent job of somehow sweeping up the Remain vote in June, despite being an extremely ambivalent remainer (if that even) himself. As Britain begins properly fucking itself up with Brexit, maybe the public will shift and want to call his bluff. For now, a come on now, down with this sort of thing approach seems to be his best bet.

I've seen bits of polling in recent months that points to buyers regret and other polls showing people want whoever the PM is to push on with it. I'd say "this is a fucking disaster but it would be a bit embarrassing to not do it now" is pretty much the popular position.

[Ivo den Bieman]

social embarrassment is hardly a strong reason to press on grimly with a disastrous position based on lies and xenophobia, tbh

still no one has a clue- from the government down- how this will play out.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

social embarrassment is hardly a strong reason to press on grimly with a disastrous position

But it is a stereotypically British reason

[Ivo den Bieman]

half of Texas is flooded. Pandora's box continues vomiting its charms in the Middle East have been opened by Bush and Blair fifteen years ago. Russia illegally occupies large parts of a neighbouring sovereign nation.North Korea is threatening the world with viable nuclear missiles (the engines for which seem to have been smuggled from one of the unregulated arms bazaars in Russian-occupied Ukraine). An EU state (Hungary) has surrounded itself with barbed wire whilst black-shirted paramilitaries hunt Roma in the countryside. Another EU state (Greece) is a permanent debt cripple whilst Croatia is a couple of bad weeks away from a total economic collapse. Meanwhole the increasing robotisation /mechanisation of work will see mass job losses amongts the unskilled in the next decade or so and these folk will have very little means of support.

but, the key issues clearly facing the UK as a nation are the return of a blue passport cover and ensuring Brussels keepings its interfering snout out of the production of Cumberland sausage (we're OK with minimum wage-busting Baltic Russians housed in a leaking caravan by a gangmaster making the sausages, though).

What an absolute joke the "UK" is. Obsessed with nineteenth century concepts in the most volatile and unpredictable century in the world's history, when politicans should be working together to solve common problems facing folk the world over.

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

social embarrassment is hardly a strong reason to press on grimly with a disastrous position based on lies and xenophobia, tbh

still no one has a clue- from the government down- how this will play out.

You're right but sadly so is Topcat.  I hope that this is one occasion where common sense prevails and people realise just how big a challenge we are facing.

Maybe that's naively optimistic of me, in the same way that I'm optimistic that Labour's change in position offers a path of escape.  

Maybe my optimism is being driven by the fact that I'm just a bit scared of the alternative.

[invergowrie arab]

Two weeks ago Corbyn was telling us you can't be in the single market without being in the EU and now it's Labour policy.

The man is a complete fucking sock puppet who spouts whatever he is told from MacDonnell, Starmer or Findlay from one day to the next.

[Ivo den Bieman]

It's quite smart from him- say, well, nothing of any substance, and grow into the role of the nation's favourite uncle.

it's worked so far in opposition but will be pitilessly exposed should he ever actually come to power.

[Alan Stubbs]

4 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

social embarrassment is hardly a strong reason to press on grimly with a disastrous position based on lies and xenophobia, tbh

still no one has a clue- from the government down- how this will play out.

Well obviously, 'pressing on' isn't what I want to happen. I'd happily see Brexit get in the bin.

[Shades75]

4 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

half of Texas is flooded. Pandora's box continues vomiting its charms in the Middle East have been opened by Bush and Blair fifteen years ago. Russia illegally occupies large parts of a neighbouring sovereign nation.North Korea is threatening the world with viable nuclear missiles (the engines for which seem to have been smuggled from one of the unregulated arms bazaars in Russian-occupied Ukraine). An EU state (Hungary) has surrounded itself with barbed wire whilst black-shirted paramilitaries hunt Roma in the countryside. Another EU state (Greece) is a permanent debt cripple whilst Croatia is a couple of bad weeks away from a total economic collapse. Meanwhole the increasing robotisation /mechanisation of work will see mass job losses amongts the unskilled in the next decade or so and these folk will have very little means of support.

but, the key issues clearly facing the UK as a nation are the return of a blue passport cover and ensuring Brussels keepings its interfering snout out of the production of Cumberland sausage (we're OK with minimum wage-busting Baltic Russians housed in a leaking caravan by a gangmaster making the sausages, though).

What an absolute joke the "UK" is. Obsessed with nineteenth century concepts in the most volatile and unpredictable century in the world's history, when politicans should be working together to solve common problems facing folk the world over.

This is an excellent take on things.

[DrewDon]

8 hours ago, Alan Stubbs said:

I'd say "this is a fucking disaster but it would be a bit embarrassing to not do it now" is pretty much the popular position.

 

[NotThePars]

Six weeks after Labour MPs were bemoaning the leadership's Hard Brexit stance now they're bemoaning the reversal as it could threaten the seats in the heartlands.

[Antiochas III]

I'd bemoaning the fact it's more proof that Corbyn is just like everyother Politician.  Proof once again he change his stance with the wind.  Trident, House of Lords now the EU/Single Market.  Is there anything he really believes in that he will stick to, accept you know SNPBad?  

Edited August 29, 2017 by Antiochas III

[ICTJohnboy]

22 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

So we are going into a further rounds of talks where will want to discuss trade issues only to be told yet again that this will only happen once there has been substantial progress on the NI border, rights of EU citizens in the UK and the divorce bill.

Deja vu anyone?

 

Naah..... But we've heard it all before.

[Baxter Parp]

That went well.

[zidane's child]

24 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

That went well.

"They'll all be queuing up to do trade deals with us"

Good yin

[Fullerene]

What exactly happens after that?

"Okay, if we can't talk about trade, my flight home isn't until Thursday, any sightseeing you might suggest.  I quite like a good walk."

Edited August 29, 2017 by Fullerene

[Granny Danger]

In the wake of Michel Barnier's comments we now have Jean-Claude Juncker criticising the UK 'position papers' and simply restating the EU position that has not shifted one iota. This was apparently followed by the spokesperson for No 10 saying that Britain is in a "good position" in the talks.

Whichever side you take on this I'm pretty convinced that if this is developing into a game of chicken then the EU will be the winners.