John Lambies Doos Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 What makes you say that? They were/are both strongly pro EU and Major took years of flack from his backbenchers over it.Because they are Torys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Are you including Scottish politicians in that sentence? Some SNP politicians are honourable exceptions, but otherwise Remainers only message was gloom and doom if we left, nothing about all the national, Europe wide and global benefits of being part of a strong EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Some SNP politicians are honourable exceptions, but otherwise Remainers only message was gloom and doom if we left, nothing about all the national, Europe wide and global benefits of being part of a strong EU. They made the mistake of looking at the Scottish referendum and thinking that sheer negativity would win the day. The one thing they forgot to add to their campaign was mind numbing slogans on an endless loop. Something the leave brigade took full advantage of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 There’s a good quote in the book I’m reading where someone in Hartlepool says “we’ve got nothing. If you’ve got nothing, you can’t be scared by politicians telling you about what you’ve got to lose. We’ve been in recession for the last thirty years. We know what it’s like if we stayed - it’s terrible.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Can we just stop this thread at page 666? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandstand Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The DUP seem to be intent on preparing the ground for an eventual UI so would have thought you should be pleased You seem upset 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: I'd say Blair was far more responsible by instantly offering full free movement to the Eastern accession countries when there was no need. Other members like France and Germany put a 3 year delay on it. We had around a million new arrivals in the first year, which established contacts for later migrants even when the rest of Europe opened up. P.S. Got my numbers wrong. It was more like 100,000 in the first year compared to an expected 12,000, 1.4 million in total by 2015. Germany delayed full freedom of movement to those new members for 7 years, not 3. Whoops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Some SNP politicians are honourable exceptions, but otherwise Remainers only message was gloom and doom if we left, nothing about all the national, Europe wide and global benefits of being part of a strong EU. Thanks. I think we might find tonight - Question Time, BBC1 - one honourable politician will be arguing very strenuously, the case for Scotland having its own (devolved) immigration policy. I hope his message comes over loud and clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: 2 hours ago, Detournement said: What makes you say that? They were/are both strongly pro EU and Major took years of flack from his backbenchers over it. Because they are Torys They have Tories in Germany, Holland, France and Belgium as well and they aren't leaving the EU any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Are you including Scottish politicians in that sentence? Perhaps worth bearing in mind that the SNP didn't advocate using the Euro post-independence during the Referendum. They have been Euroskeptic for around 20 years or so now and at least some people were happy to vote Yes because they thought it meant leaving the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Thanks. I think we might find tonight - Question Time, BBC1 - one honourable politician will be arguing very strenuously, the case for Scotland having its own (devolved) immigration policy. I hope his message comes over loud and clear. He's going to have to explain how you let someone work in Dumfries but not Carlisle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 They have Tories in Germany, Holland, France and Belgium as well and they aren't leaving the EU any time soon.So, I'm talking specifically about the Torys you mentioned who were an intergral part of Thatchers govt. They were/are c***s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: I’m not talking about their views on the EU. I’m talking about the governments they served under or led that helped to cause widespread impoverishment and alienation that left people with no belief in the status quo that Remain campaigned on. Beyond being general Tory arseholes I think they are many magnitudes behind Cameron and Blair in terms of blame. Cameron for austerity and being a coward and not taking on his backbenchers (which Major did). Blair for the A4 situation. Clegg can take his share as well for being a quisling twat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: He's going to have to explain how you let someone work in Dumfries but not Carlisle. You get free prescriptions in Dumfries but not in Carlisle, it's fairly straightforward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You get free prescriptions in Dumfries but not in Carlisle, it's fairly straightforward. That's an irrelevant comparison. What's to stop people being employed in Scotland then travelling to England to do their actual work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: That's an irrelevant comparison. What's to stop people being employed in Scotland then travelling to England to do their actual work? They're going to have to give an NI number. It wouldn't be hard to make it geographically limited. Canada has run programmes for decades that restrict regions where immigrants can work. Edited October 11, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: That's an irrelevant comparison. What's to stop people being employed in Scotland then travelling to England to do their actual work? Who would want to live and work in fucking Carlisle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They're going to have to give an NI number and address. It wouldn't be hard to make it geographically limited. Canada has run programmes for decades that restrict regions where immigrants can work. You don't have to give a NI or and address to work in England if you are employed in Scotland. There are English guys in my work repairing the roof from a company based in Leeds, they just turn up and work. Canada isn't the UK where you can travel anywhere by minibus within 12 hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: Who would want to live and work in fucking Carlisle? I would have assumed someone who lives in Burnley but obviously not. They have a nice castle and parks and plenty of pubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: You don't have to give a NI or and address to work in England if you are employed in Scotland. There are English guys in my work repairing the roof from a company based in Leeds, they just turn up and work. Canada isn't the UK where you can travel anywhere by minibus within 12 hours. Short term contractors work globally with little trouble. If more firms base themselves in Scotland to get around English xenophobia, all to the good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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