Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Billy Jean King]

23 hours ago, zidane's child said:

Don’t be surprised if Labour absolutely “hibs” it.

What fight with the rule Britannia union loving mob across the floor of the house after the vote ???

[welshbairn]

35 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said:

But but but but, reasons

It's all that Nasty Liberal boy EU's fault. (thcreamth) 

[Detournement]

The point isn't about the relative levels of inequality in each country but in the direction of travel.

The question is how do you reverse the trend from increasing inequality and precariousness to decreasing within the current EU structures? I don't think you can and no one has actually laid out a plan to do so. Macron has admitted that the EU needs a new renewed social chapter but there is no sign that it's going to happen. There was a lot of talk about tax reform but it's going at a snail's pace and unlikely to happen. The parliament talked about ending posted workers and ended up with a fudge that limits posting to 18 months which is a joke.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

I assume you apply the same attitude to the economic trends of UK membership?

I did until I read the growth commission report.

[Granny Danger]

If the government is found in contempt of Parliament it will be interesting to see what action Bercow takes.  

Suspension of one MP is insufficient.  He should keep suspending government ministers until the information is made available.

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Looking at the OECD figures on income inequality, EU membership does not seem to be a significant factor. The UK is one of the worst in the EU.

 

HB's new left wing incarnation is even funnier (not intentionally) than his old yoon shitebag persona.

 

[Detournement]

Again not HB.

And that graph is irrelevant. The relevant factor is increasing inequality under Lisbon not the relative levels of inequality which are mainly down to pre EU factors.

[Granny Danger]

5 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

HB's new left wing incarnation is even funnier (not intentionally) than his old yoon shitebag persona.

 

The only thing that’s remotely funny is the idiots who take him seriously.

 

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Again not HB.

And that graph is irrelevant. The relevant factor is increasing inequality under Lisbon not the relative levels of inequality which are mainly down to pre EU factors.

I expect you're going to show that inequality increased more in Eu countries than non Eu countries since Lisbon?

[Detournement]

Just now, welshbairn said:

I expect you're going to show that inequality increased more in Eu countries than non Eu countries since Lisbon?

It only matters that it's increasing. Relativism is irrelevant here.

Do you think it's possible to decrease inequality within the EU?

 

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It only matters that it's increasing. Relativism is irrelevant here.

Do you think it's possible to decrease inequality within the EU?

 

Yes. Which country's policies should we emulate if we want to decrease inequality after we leave the EU?

Edited December 3, 2018 by welshbairn

[pandarilla]

The only thing that’s remotely funny is the idiots who take him seriously.
 

Too many folk play the man and not the ball.

I couldn't care less whether it's a previous poster - the arguments are legitimate.

[Alan Stubbs]

Mind when the whole yoon squad back in the day weren't just Tories, they were (extremely convincing) SNP voters because they're the real Tories, man. 

Absolute oddballs to a man 

[Antlion]

57 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I did until I read the growth commission report.

And that made you  suddenly embrace the economic trends of our U.K. membership ie falling wages and rising inequality?

[Granny Danger]

7 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Too many folk play the man and not the ball.

I couldn't care less whether it's a previous poster - the arguments are legitimate.
 

^^^^ Missing the point by a country mile.

[Detournement]

Just now, welshbairn said:

Yes. Which country's policies should we emulate if we want to decrease inequality after we leave the UK?

Emulating the policies of any single country would be daft.

We need to look at policies which have been successful at decreasing inequality which sadly means looking into the past. To our own postwar achievements, the thirty glorious years in France, the Social Democratic achievements in West Germany and Scandinavia, the new deal and the successful elements of Soviet planning. We need to adapt those policies for the 21st century and focus on definancialising our society and centring policy on sustainability and combating climate change.

A lot of people seem to think that the current economic trends will simply turn eventually like winter turns to spring. It won't, things will only get better with significant structural change.

 

[Detournement]

17 minutes ago, Antlion said:

And that made you  suddenly embrace the economic trends of our U.K. membership ie falling wages and rising inequality?

No but it made me think that it would be simpler to create a more equitable society within the UK than an independent Scotland.

I have also lost a bit of faith in Scotland being more receptive to socialism than the rest of the UK. It probably still is but the difference is getting smaller with every year that passes.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Detournement

[DublinMagyar]

And the best way to counter that is......siding with the Union

Good grief

[welshbairn]

45 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Emulating the policies of any single country would be daft.

We need to look at policies which have been successful at decreasing inequality which sadly means looking into the past. To our own postwar achievements, the thirty glorious years in France, the Social Democratic achievements in West Germany and Scandinavia, the new deal and the successful elements of Soviet planning. We need to adapt those policies for the 21st century and focus on definancialising our society and centring policy on sustainability and combating climate change.

A lot of people seem to think that the current economic trends will simply turn eventually like winter turns to spring. It won't, things will only get better with significant structural change.

 

Erm, the Soviets must have done some good when they weren't building Gulags, and the Swedes, weren't they great and Socialist and Liberal all at the same time, and the Germans had workers on the Boards, and French girls look nice in summer frocks. Oooh and FDR, and Atlee. That'll do, mash them up and there's a perfect plan! Lets leave the EU under a right wing government, it will be brill! First step, remove EU restrictions on risky dealing by the City of London, nap. Step 2, abolish working time directive and other worker protection. Step 3, privatise the NHS to get US trade deal. Step 4. Big ultra neo liberalism Parteee! Chlorinated fried chicken galore!

Edited December 3, 2018 by welshbairn

[NotThePars]

14 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Erm, the Soviets must have done some good when they weren't building Gulags, and the Swedes, weren't they great and Socialist and Liberal all at the same time, and the Germans had workers on the Boards, and French girls look nice in summer frocks. Oooh and FDR, and Atlee. That'll do, mash them up and there's a perfect plan! Lets leave the EU under a right wing government, it will be brill!

 

Are you drunk?