welshbairn Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: He'll chuck it after a month when he runs out of presidential decrees and has to answer questions like where are the money trees growing. I see Mexico are telling him to do one, wonder if he'll notice in between rimming sessions from May. A civil servant pissed off at his pay being frozen will leak his tax records showing how much he's in debt to foreign banks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Not sure how much good a trade war and building a wall will do for US manufacturing jobs. Output's been booming while jobs have been declining, 85% due to automation. Costs $25 an hour for a welder, $8 for a robot. The USA exports $212 billion of goods to Mexico, $246 billion to Canada. I expect a serious domestic backlash, also from consumers when prices start rising in Walmart. https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-b7e6-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 And the entire Us state department senior management team have quithttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html That's incredible. The State Department is one of the great achievements of the Obama administration. All of the Executive Orders so far have impinged on its remit, and now Trump is setting them in open revolt against Homeland Security. Impeachment by July, I reckon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: That's incredible. The State Department is one of the great achievements of the Obama administration. All of the Executive Orders so far have impinged on its remit, and now Trump is setting them in open revolt against Homeland Security. Impeachment by July, I reckon. Department of the Interior staff have been rebelling too, and the new Secretary of Defence has already told him he's wrong on torture and reopening black sites. He'll be opposed by Republican congressmen over free trade, paying for the wall, massive infrastructure spending and many other things. And if he gets impeached and sacked, the Republicans will have Mike Pence, a loyal Republican and willing to do what he's told. I'll go for March 2018. Time for a horrendous foreign fuckup. Edited January 26, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 44 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure how much good a trade war and building a wall will do for US manufacturing jobs. Output's been booming while jobs have been declining, 85% due to automation. Costs $25 an hour for a welder, $8 for a robot. The USA exports $212 billion of goods to Mexico, $246 billion to Canada. I expect a serious domestic backlash, also from consumers when prices start rising in Walmart. https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-b7e6-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62 I posted something similar previously. The issue isn't employment but the type of employment, the wage levels of the new jobs and the complete decimation of areas and communities where traditional labour intensive industries were previously located. It's not dissimilar to the deindustrialisation in the UK but on a far greater scale. Even if some companies are prepared to play along with the Liar in order to get subsidies and try to stay onside it will have no real affect. What is needed is massive retraining in new technologies but that will need a workforce willing to accept and embrace change. Not folk wanting to return to the (White) 1950s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Department of the Interior staff have been rebelling too, and the new Secretary of Defence has already told him he's wrong on torture and reopening black sites. He'll be opposed by Republican congressmen over free trade, paying for the wall, massive infrastructure spending and many other things. And if he gets impeached and sacked, the Republicans will have Mike Pence, a loyal Republican and willing to do what he's told. I'll go for March 2018. Time for a horrendous foreign fuckup. Mike Pence is a malicious, nefarious sack of bigoted shit, but at the very least he's steady and consistent. He's like a beacon of respectability in Trump's sea of downright lunacy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Mike Pence is a malicious, nefarious sack of bigoted shit, but at the very least he's steady and consistent. He's like a beacon of respectability in Trump's sea of downright lunacy. Is enacting bigoted policy you don't believe in to appease your supporters better or worse than enacting bigoted policy because you genuinely believe in it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Mike Pence is a malicious, nefarious sack of bigoted shit, but at the very least he's steady and consistent. He's like a beacon of respectability in Trump's sea of downright lunacy. Pence would have lost to Clinton. The whole thing makes sense now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: Is enacting bigoted policy you don't believe in to appease your supporters better or worse than enacting bigoted policy because you genuinely believe in it? They're both as bad as each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Another day of the United States owning itself. If we hadn't shat it on independence we could've been laughing at the shambles that is the UK and the USA right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, jmothecat said: Is enacting bigoted policy you don't believe in to appease your supporters better or worse than enacting bigoted policy because you genuinely believe in it? Pence is, at some rate, a politician. He realises that the 50% of the US government is the state department, and that losing the entire managerial staff is tantamount to chaos. Tact, diplomacy and dignity counts for something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Another day of the United States owning itself. If we hadn't shat it on independence we could've been laughing at the shambles that is the UK and the USA right now. We can absolutely be laughing at their shambles regardless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baxter Parp Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.5755c7dd4cde 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.5755c7dd4cde well thank f**k for that. saves having to sack them. fell right into the trap Edited January 26, 2017 by hehawhehaw -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Is this the same story as the one from a page or so back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 it's thinking forwards and backwards at the same time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 30 minutes ago, jmothecat said: Is enacting bigoted policy you don't believe in to appease your supporters better or worse than enacting bigoted policy because you genuinely believe in it? The choice is between an insane toddler with muscles and a deluded teenager who does what mummy tells him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Is this the same story as the one from a page or so back? Dunno, didn't read that far back. Have we done the Mexican president yet? Trump slams Mexico as leader cancels trip http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38760671 This is all going very well, isn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Dunno, didn't read that far back. Have we done the Mexican president yet? Trump slams Mexico as leader cancels trip http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38760671 This is all going very well, isn't it? Yeah i covered them both 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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