BillyAnchor Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Sure we can move him left after he wins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The unfathomable thing is how the Democratic Party allowed octogenarians (or close to it) like Pelosi and Biden to hold on to the top rungs by their grasping finger nails like the dying days of the Soviet Empire. I can understand Pelosi a bit as she's still sharp as a razor despite appearances, but, along with RBG, they could well have fucked the country for another 4 years, along with other parts of the planet, because of a refusal to admit they should have retired a decade ago at least. The Democrats should be stomping home in this election by a landslide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Because the Democrats are more scared of their base than the Republicans are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: Right. Voting for Biden unenthusiastically and unhesitatingly seems an entirely reasonable point of view. Abstaining in swing states because Biden isn't Bernie doesn't. Biden is better than Trump. Biden is far better than Trump. Far from an ideal candidate/prospective President, but still far better than Trump. Anyone claiming otherwise is an arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Trump getting booed as he goes to pay his respects to Ginsburg will have him raging on twitter later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: Fairly substantial chance that by then, Texas will have more hispanic, black and asian voters than white, at which point you'd have to assume that's game over for republicans: https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2019/20190128_PopProjectionsBrief.pdf Anyway - the above idea that crappy candidates don't earn votes is exactly why republicans win enough at the moment. They hate their enemy and will use every possible option and scrap of power to frustrate them. For whatever reason democrats think rising above this is clever and noble and this includes the ones who won't vote for Biden. Texas also has Austin - one of the most liberal cities in the US. Texas is one almighty confused state. 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: The unfathomable thing is how the Democratic Party allowed octogenarians (or close to it) like Pelosi and Biden to hold on to the top rungs by their grasping finger nails like the dying days of the Soviet Empire. I can understand Pelosi a bit as she's still sharp as a razor despite appearances, but, along with RBG, they could well have fucked the country for another 4 years, along with other parts of the planet, because of a refusal to admit they should have retired a decade ago at least. The Democrats should be stomping home in this election by a landslide. It’s like any political party. It eventually becomes careerist dominated. There’s also a staggering lack of talent in the older generations of the Democratic Party. Incompetence + myopia = stumbling against a hopeless candidate. 35 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Because the Democrats are more scared of their base than the Republicans are. This is unquestionably true. And, in the long term, probably a good thing. 26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Biden is better than Trump. Biden is far better than Trump. Far from an ideal candidate/prospective President, but still far better than Trump. Anyone claiming otherwise is an arsehole. Right. There’s no contradiction in anything you wrote there. I guess the current climate demands we frame thing in absolutes, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Right. There’s no contradiction in anything you wrote there. I guess the current climate demands we frame thing in absolutes, though. There is no contradiction, no. Biden is a far better candidate for anyone with more than two brain cells between their ears. Like Clinton before him was, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Fairly substantial chance that by then, Texas will have more hispanic, black and asian voters than white, at which point you'd have to assume that's game over for republicans: https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2019/20190128_PopProjectionsBrief.pdf Texas is now a swing state with a big electoral college total and will probably turn blue. This is balanced out somewhat by the true blue rust belt states turning purple and red. Also worth remembering that the GOP are the undisputed masters of gerrymandering. I can't see them sitting ildly by as demographics contrive to guarantee a democrat president. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Texas is now a swing state with a big electoral college total and will probably turn blue. This is balanced out somewhat by the true blue rust belt states turning purple and red. Also worth remembering that the GOP are the undisputed masters of gerrymandering. I can't see them sitting ildly by as demographics contrive to guarantee a democrat president. The gerrymandering is mental, John Oliver did a very good piece on it, the GOP are pretty open about their motivations behind it. Edited September 24, 2020 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 If the lefties in the states petulantly stay at home because they cant vote for Bernie then they pretty much deserve everything they get. Biden is far from an ideal candidate but if you look at the Democrats as a whole, they are slowly being pulled to the left by the new wave of congressional candidates. The old establishment of wall street toadies is becoming smaller and it would be far better for them to continue the change in power than out. Nobody branding themselves as a socialist is ever going to win the presidency in the US. A social Democrat could eventually get there but it's going to take implementation of policies bit by bit to show the gun toting, freedom loving yanks that free healthcare for all isn't going to turn them into the cold war era Soviet Union. Trump has to go. If a president gets away with behaving the way he has and retains power, the GOP is now stacked with emboldened lunatics, some of whom could do worse than anything Trump has done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 BUT BIDEN STUTTERS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Biden is far from an ideal candidate but if you look at the Democrats as a whole, they are slowly being pulled to the left by the new wave of congressional candidates. The old establishment of wall street toadies is becoming smaller and it would be far better for them to continue the change in power than out. There's about 7 left wing Democrats out of 300 odd Senators and Congress members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 HB really swinging for the fences these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 12 hours ago, MixuFruit said: This sounded a bit low, given the extraordinary efforts of their own party to stamp them out, so I had a look and found this which puts it nearer 100: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus No Senators at all and Joe Kennedy III on the list which suggests 'Progressive' is broad enough to take in Starmer/Sturgreon style left 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 these are the people defending democracy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: what are your criteria then for the 7 you mentioned? Just people that i have noticed being outspoken on issues. AOC (although i have doubts), Omar, Tlaib, Khanna, Jayapal, Barbara Lee (the only Dem that voted against the War Powers Act). I don't follow it closely enough to know exactly but it's a very small proportion. Over here only 18 Labour MPs voted against the War Crimes bill which meant that about 20 of the Socialist Campaign Group abstained. A lot of politicians use these sort of groups for branding but when push comes to shove they will toe the corporate/imperialist line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Just seems strange if it's such a small group that they attract such a strong response from both republicans and centrist/right democrats. For the Pelosi/Schumer type Dems the left highlight how shite they are and the primary system makes them a minor nuisance in terms of taking establishment figures like Engels out of Congress. For the right it's just a good excuse to be all out racist against Omar or Tlaib or bleat about Marxism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: It would be interesting to find a 2016 poll on the same date and age group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 There's a lot going on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Clinton was behind but not by as much as Trump is to Biden now. A lot of shy trump voters in 2016?: Depends on whether the poll was conducted face to face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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