dorlomin Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/12/16/trump_advisor_anthony_scaramucci_anti_science_interview_on_cnn.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I heard someone make a good point today. Hillary Clinton claimed in the last debate that all the US intelligence agencies said Putin was behind the leaks and she said Putin specifically was trying to help Trump This question was before the voters and we decided that we didn't care. And as a further point, since the beginning of this country other nations have been involved in trying to influence our elections and politicians here have been involved in trying to get foreign countries to influence elections their own way. The Republic still exists. Like I said before, in this very election John Kerry lobbied the Ecuador government to shut down a journalistic organization that was involved in breaking no US laws. All they were doing was embarrassing the ruling party with their reporting. The Mexican government was actively involved through their government officials and consulates in registering Mexican citizens who were eligible to vote in US elections. If you don't believe there was contact with Democrats in this effort I have a bridge to sell you in London. Obama stood up today and said Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he knew Republicans were defending Russia and their ex-KGB President. Amazing. Reagan and Republicans didn't hate Russia because they were Russia. What an amazing misreading of the situation. Russia does make the perfect foreign bogeyman for the modern Democrat Party, and of course every political movement finds a good foreign bogeyman useful from time to time. They aren't that bad of a country compared to African, Muslim, or Asian standards. But Democrats find it useful to have a white country as an enemy, and Russia is just sketchy enough in all the right areas that make Western progressives angry. Edited December 17, 2016 by Deplorable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 If the DNC hadn't fixed their primaries there wouldn't be a story here. See how easy it is to deflect, and move away from the truth, and change the narrative, and obscure the facts? All media outlets do it. Russia Today, New York Times, Alex Jones, the overall 'MSM'. Varying levels of sketchiness, sure, but the story here has completely changed because the media wanted it to. There are far clearer historical examples of a President-Elect being involved in dodgy pre-election stuff with foreign powers, although of course in time Trump may end up implicated too. Fact is it isn't anything new. It's a last-ditch attempt to move the Electoral College away from Trump, or more likely turn public opinion against the Electoral College so when Democrats next take power they'll take steps to remove it and run with the popular vote - they've lost it once since Bush Snr in 1988 and the demographics are only getting better for them.Simple fact is if 'Russia' had hacked the DNC and found a load of boring emails about campaign organisation, nothing would've ever happened. American voters knew before the election that their intelligence services were claiming Russia had hacked the DNC. Not enough cared. Still, means we have another scapegoat for people voting for a 'Nazi dictator', right? It just can't be right that people liked much of what he said. Must be another reason... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 12 hours ago, dorlomin said: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/12/16/trump_advisor_anthony_scaramucci_anti_science_interview_on_cnn.html I've heard some poor arguments against the human contribution to global warming but "we were wrong about the earth being flat" is as bad as it gets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I've heard some poor arguments against the human contribution to global warming but "we were wrong about the earth being flat" is as bad as it gets. To be fair, that's a highly controversial statement among the lunatic element of Trump voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Forgive me for quoting from the newsbeat section of the BBC website which seems to be aimed specifically at what modern advertising believes a 16 year old girl is, but Donald Trump still sends abuse to a book reviewer who said he had short fingers over 25 years ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38338231/donald-trump-flaccid-dumplings-and-the-short-fingered-feud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 He's tweeted (then deleted) about China stealing an American drone in an 'unpresidented act'Take the fucking phone off him ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You're out of your depth, Donny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 18 hours ago, Cerberus said: It's a last ditch attempt by the Whitehouse to paint Trump as dangerous to the US and put pressure on the Electoral College to not vote him in. It's a complete non-story as far as I am concerned. ...and if it works the United States is heading into a constitutional crisis that would make Watergate look like a picnic. That makes it a significant news story, because the Electoral College is supposed to be a formality that is an anachronism from procedures designed before the rail travel era. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Like I said before, in this very election John Kerry lobbied the Ecuador government to shut down a journalistic organization that was involved in breaking no US laws. All they were doing was embarrassing the ruling party with their reporting. Wikileaks aren't a journalistic organisiation, they're a guy hiding in an embassy to avoid sexual assault charges who leaks stolen emails drip by drip to try to influence an election. If he was just after transparency why didn't he release them all at once? Or just do the basic journalistic work of curating to leave out the 99% of wholly private and irrelevant stuff? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...and if it works the United States is heading into a constitutional crisis that would make Watergate look like a picnic. That makes it a significant news story, because the Electoral College is supposed to be a formality that is an anachronism from procedures designed before the rail travel era. In the space of a few weeks, the Democrat/liberal/mainstream side has went from outright horror at Trump saying he'd "look at" the results, to actively campaigning to force the Electoral College to refuse entire states a political voice and vote against their wishes. Crazy stuff. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 In the space of a few weeks, the Democrat/liberal/mainstream side has went from outright horror at Trump saying he'd "look at" the results, to actively campaigning to force the Electoral College to refuse entire states a political voice and vote against their wishes. Crazy stuff. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Yeah. Can you imagine what would be happening if Clinton had won the electoral college and Trump was 2 million votes ahead on the popular vote?The alt right would be burning places down and nut job militias would be calling for popular uprisings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/ An interesting perspective on the Trump voter. I think that the people who voted for him are a hugely heterogeneous group with very diverse views. But it does seem to explain some of the nihilist views of some people who voted for him. Its worth thinking about perhaps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 7 hours ago, mjw said: He's tweeted (then deleted) about China stealing an American drone in an 'unpresidented act' Take the fucking phone off him ffs. I fucking wish Trump could be unpresidented. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 14 hours ago, welshbairn said: Wikileaks aren't a journalistic organisiation, they're a guy hiding in an embassy to avoid sexual assault charges who leaks stolen emails drip by drip to try to influence an election. If he was just after transparency why didn't he release them all at once? Or just do the basic journalistic work of curating to leave out the 99% of wholly private and irrelevant stuff? What do you consider them? I consider organizations involved with disseminating information to the broader public to be journalistic. I don't think questions of motivation or style matter much in the definition. 13 hours ago, Forest_Fifer said: Yeah. Can you imagine what would be happening if Clinton had won the electoral college and Trump was 2 million votes ahead on the popular vote? The alt right would be burning places down and nut job militias would be calling for popular uprisings. Political violence in the US this millennium has been almost wholly the domain of Islam and of leftist groups like Black Lives Matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/ An interesting perspective on the Trump voter. I think that the people who voted for him are a hugely heterogeneous group with very diverse views. But it does seem to explain some of the nihilist views of some people who voted for him. Its worth thinking about perhaps. Two thoughts: 1. I hate when these authors act like the decline in opportunities for uneducated losers is just the inevitable result of natural processes. That's not true at all. Mass unskilled immigration is a government policy. Strict environmental regulation is a government policy. Free trade is a government policy. Maybe people should consider that Trump voters were voting for a change in government policy that they think will help their economic prospects, not just flipping the middle finger to faceless inevitable forces. 2. The backbone of Trumps vote according to the largest study of his voters was not uneducated losers. It was moderately successful people living in areas of the country where economic and social indicators are going downhill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 The alt right would be burning places down and nut job militias would be calling for popular uprisings. Absurd projection considering the actual protests, rioting and general wailing from lefties during the election and after his win.Can you point to such occurrences when Obama won twice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 What do you consider them? Wikileaks define themselves as publishers, not journalists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I fucking wish Trump could be unpresidented. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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