Deplorable Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 hour ago, banana said: Manning should never have been locked up imo, so am happy he has been released. I do wonder about Obama's motivation for releasing him at this late date, he's having quite the 'mare in recent weeks. Why shouldn't she have been locked up? I never looked into the details of the case and I generally like when the government gets embarrassed, but I'm not sure we can have every Private in the Army deciding to muck up war policy if they don't like something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The real outrage was freeing Oscar Lopez Rivera. Obama letting out his love for anti-Western terrorists. I'll wager he's been waiting his whole term for this moment. The Nelson Mandela of Puerto Rico! Lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: Does this no also happen with the royals or am I wrong? It seems like the UK is the odd man out in not having some sort of executive who routinely confers pardons. Looks like this is mostly due to the Monarchy declining to use the power as they accepted a reduced role in modern times. Wiki says they still use it occasionally in consultation with the government and only in cases of clear miscarriage of justice rather than the political acts that occur in the US and other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Why shouldn't she have been locked up? I never looked into the details of the case and I generally like when the government gets embarrassed, but I'm not sure we can have every Private in the Army deciding to muck up war policy if they don't like something. Personally, a moral call on the balance of the American public's and the world's interest considering the nature of war and what the US gets up to, versus any potential damage done by the content leaked.Morality and law and reality are separate things, granted, so 'shouldn't perhaps isn't the best word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, banana said: Miss Ohio kens the score. She's been keeping excellent score for three weeks, to be fair...https://www.instagram.com/realmadisongesiotto/ Wow! I like her shoes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Deplorable said: It seems like the UK is the odd man out in not having some sort of executive who routinely confers pardons. Looks like this is mostly due to the Monarchy declining to use the power as they accepted a reduced role in modern times. Wiki says they still use it occasionally in consultation with the government and only in cases of clear miscarriage of justice rather than the political acts that occur in the US and other countries. But surely in a clear miscarriage of justice it should be the courts that free the person? I'm sure Mrs Windsor gets tae pardon some criminals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Has been amusing to watch the liberal dickheads that spent months defending the shameful incarceration of Chelsea Manning suddenly volte-facing and celebrating her release now that Obama's did the correct thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, banana said: More interesting to see how the Trump haters react, given the current line about The Russians! hacking, etc. Manning should never have been locked up imo, so am happy he has been released. I do wonder about Obama's motivation for releasing him at this late date, he's having quite the 'mare in recent weeks. Granny on the ball for once re: the bizarre power given to outgoing presidents. It's not a power given to outgoing Presidents. All Presidents have the power of pardon or commutation throughout their term(S) of office. Obama has used his powers more than any recent President, over 1,500 times. Outgoing Presidents tend to leave the more controversial pardons to the last week or so. Bill Clinton pardoned his brother for his drug crimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I'm now looking forward to the Trump Presidency. ISIS defeated in 90 days. His son-in-law to broker a peace between Israel and Palestine. China put firmly in their place. NATO disbanded (great news, it's been a disaster). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: NATO disbanded (great news, it's been a disaster). A DISASTER 'bout time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 17 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: Give any donation to a cancer charity or hospice. Assange lawyer: Manning commutation did not meet conditions of Assange's offer to be extradited if she was pardoned http://hill.cm/5ID5gi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What a bunch of pish. FWIW it's a legitimate position to question May's premiership if you question the legitimacy of FPTP. Questioning the validity of the electoral college is no different. Being unwilling to attend the inauguration of a racist/sexist/mysoginistic/xenophobe is an equally legitimate stance. W was a service dodging, lying, right wing arsehole but there were few who argued that his inauguration should be boycotted. Sorry to drag the Lewis / Trump thing back up, but I've just read Mr Lewis boycotted George W. Bush's inauguration in 2000 as well. He doesn't like Democrats losing, it seems. Trump was on the right side of this particular issue, for once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 New species of moth named for Trumphttp://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/01/18/new-species-moth-named-for-trump-thanks-to-yellowish-mop.html Trump will be sworn in as president on Friday. His predecessor, Barack Obama, has had both a fish and a flatworm named for him. …meanwhile…Topless protester attacks Trump statuehttp://www.fox5ny.com/news/229812515-story …and for fans of the Big Bang Theory…Mayim Bialik posts video ahead of Trump inaugurationhttp://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/18/mayim-bialik-posts-video-ahead-trump-inauguration.html…And I pray for guidance from the Universe to show me what I need to do and how I need to do it. FFS _____________ Viva Miguel Sanchez 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I wonder why racial tension would be an issue with Obama in the white house. I thought it'd be no problem at all.Oh, and the point on Obama closing Guantanamo is one that should be brought up as much as possible. A massive failed promise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 9 hours ago, banana said: More interesting to see how the Trump haters react, given the current line about The Russians! hacking, etc. Manning should never have been locked up imo, so am happy he has been released. I do wonder about Obama's motivation for releasing him at this late date, he's having quite the 'mare in recent weeks. Granny on the ball for once re: the bizarre power given to outgoing presidents. Chelsea Manning is a woman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, Paco said: Sorry to drag the Lewis / Trump thing back up, but I've just read Mr Lewis boycotted George W. Bush's inauguration in 2000 as well. He doesn't like Democrats losing, it seems. Trump was on the right side of this particular issue, for once. Which Lewis lied about when announcing his boycott of Trump's inauguration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspy Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I hope Donald walks out to Hulk Hogans Real American theme for his inauguration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Assange doesn't have to be extradited because his fingers were crossed when he made that pledge and it's a different Chelsea Manning he was referring to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Assange doesn't have to be extradited because his fingers were crossed when he made that pledge and it's a different Chelsea Manning he was referring to. That's a guid point - so all bets are off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: That's a guid point - so all bets are off? No way, the Bishop's got to pay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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