Jacksgranda Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Deplorable said: Political terrorism resulting in death when democratic means are available is the worst crime a person can commit. In addition to the deaths it is aimed at each and every citizen and seeks to undermine our very democratic way of life. Anybody who engages in it should spend the rest of their life in prison as a specific deterrent. That's my belief. People are of course free to disagree. Beyond that this dude doesn't seem very sorry for what happened and plotted an escape while in prison that would have resulted in the deaths of prison guards. A few further thoughts: The Hamilton musical dude, Lin-Manuel Miranda, is celebrating the release. These are the dudes who lectured Mike Pence about protecting the rights of people? Like the right to peacefully vote for the political arrangements we desire. The right to walk around a city in the US without someone who didn't like the way a vote went blowing you up? Chicago Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who was actively involved with the violent shutdown of Trump's Chicago and the attacks on Trump supporters, is celebrating the release and decrying US imperialism in the Caribbean. It makes me wonder why I have to be ruled by Mr. Gutierrez. Didn't seem to affect the IRA's ability to raise funds in the USA. Didn't stop their political wing being lionised by the likes of Trump, either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Deplorable said: Political terrorism resulting in death when democratic means are available is the worst crime a person can commit. In addition to the deaths it is aimed at each and every citizen and seeks to undermine our very democratic way of life. Anybody who engages in it should spend the rest of their life in prison as a specific deterrent. That's my belief. People are of course free to disagree. Beyond that this dude doesn't seem very sorry for what happened and plotted an escape while in prison that would have resulted in the deaths of prison guards. A few further thoughts: The Hamilton musical dude, Lin-Manuel Miranda, is celebrating the release. These are the dudes who lectured Mike Pence about protecting the rights of people? Like the right to peacefully vote for the political arrangements we desire. The right to walk around a city in the US without someone who didn't like the way a vote went blowing you up? Chicago Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who was actively involved with the violent shutdown of Trump's Chicago and the attacks on Trump supporters, is celebrating the release and decrying US imperialism in the Caribbean. It makes me wonder why I have to be ruled by Mr. Gutierrez. Good post Nae bugger, be it a President or a monarch, should be able to release anybody from jail. The courts sentence them so only the courts should be able to release/pardon them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Deplorable said: Political terrorism resulting in death when democratic means are available is the worst crime a person can commit. In addition to the deaths it is aimed at each and every citizen and seeks to undermine our very democratic way of life. Anybody who engages in it should spend the rest of their life in prison as a specific deterrent. That's my belief. People are of course free to disagree. Beyond that this dude doesn't seem very sorry for what happened and plotted an escape while in prison that would have resulted in the deaths of prison guards. America has a tradition of pardoning terrorists and their backers. George HW Bush pardoned the Reagan people responsible for the illegal funding, supplying and training of the Contras, against the will of Congress, who were responsible for 1600 terrorist attacks against mainly civilian targets in Nicaragua while the democratically elected Sandanistas were in power. Human Rights Watch listed some of their tactics: targeting health care clinics and health care workers for assassination kidnapping civilians torturing civilians executing civilians, including children, who were captured in combat raping women indiscriminately attacking civilians and civilian houses seizing civilian property burning civilian houses in captured towns. Here's some testimony from one of the Contra leaders, Edgar Chamorro, to the International Court of Justice. Quote We were told that the only way to defeat the Sandinistas was to use the tactics the Agency attributed to "Comunist" insurgencies elsewhere: kill, kidnap, rob and torture. 28. These tactics were reflected in an operations manual prepared for our forces by a C.I.A. agent who used the name "John Kirkpatrick: I assisted "Kirkpatrick' in translating certain parts of the manual, and the manuscript was typed by my secretary. The manual was entitled: "Psychological Operations in Guerrilla k'arfare.. It advocated "explicit and implicit terror" against . . the civilian population, including assassination of government employees and sympathizers. Before the manual was distributed, I attempted to excise two passages that I thought were immoral and dangerous, at pages 70 and 71. One recommended hiring professional criminals. The other advocated killing some of our own colleagues to create martyrs for the cause. I did not particularly want to be "martyredm by the C.I.A. So I locked up all the copies of the manual and hired two youths to cut out the offending pages and glue in expurgated pages. About 2,000 copies of the manual, with only those two passages changed, were then distributed to F.D.N. troops. Upon reflection, I found many of the tactics advocated in the manual to be offensive, and I complained to the C.I.A. station cheif in Tegucigalpa. The station chief defended "Kirkpatrick' and the manual, and no action was ever taken in response to my complaints. In fact, the practices advocated in the manual were employed by F.D.N. troops. Many civilians were killed in cold blood. Many others were tortured, mutilated, raped, robbed or otherwise abused. http://www.williamgbecker.com/chamorroaffidavit.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Welshy needs to learn the difference between good terrorists and bad terrorists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Welshy needs to learn the difference between good terrorists and bad terrorists. Luis Posada Carriles is worth a google too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 The Great Triggering begins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Flashback to June with the Guardian virtue signaling their way to complete failure Edited January 19, 2017 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think you predicted Trump would lose? Seem to remember you offering bets based on how many points he'd lose by, or something like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I don't think Banana can post without using made up phrases invented by a Spectator hack anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I think you predicted Trump would lose? Seem to remember you offering bets based on how many points he'd lose by, or something like that. Wat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I think you predicted Trump would lose? Seem to remember you offering bets based on how many points he'd lose by, or something like that. Can't remember the details but it was on the popular vote. Would have been fun if he'd had to pay out on Trump losing by nearly 3 million votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) On 25/10/2016 at 08:17, banana said: Bet on the % of popular vote between Clinton and Trump. Rather that whoever gets >50.0% wins, we set the winning line by mutual agreement based on what we think the final %s will be. E.g. I'll start the bidding at Trump getting 45.0% (i.e. Clinton 55.0%) of the 2-way popular vote. If he gets at least this %, I win the charity bet. You can now counter with a different %, which I can then also counter, until we reach betting agreement. If you're good to go, PM me your counter. We'll post the final bet back to this thread. Sounds a bit like he thought Clinton would win. Not that predicting the election incorrectly is any disgrace. So did most people. It is, though, a bit odd slagging off a newspaper for suggesting that Clinton would win when he, quite obviously, thought the same. Oh, but it's a snowflake-Progressive-Political-Correctness-gone-made-do-gooder-Liberal newspaper. Edited January 19, 2017 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Harambe Legion said: Wasn't invented by a Spectator writer. He just adopted it. Take it up with him. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virtue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It's basically the same joke. I don't expect you to be witty but you could try being original. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I see Clinton won the popular vote by 2.1%, so some of the pollsters weren't as far off as it seemed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Sounds a bit like he thought Clinton would win. No actually, I was looking for an easy bet win based on the fantastical predictions that were going around, such as a 10 point Clinton victory. Shortly after I was predicting a Trump win, but by popular vote. Close enough tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, Harambe Legion said: Guy who thinks disagreeing = mental illness says what? I think he was making a pun on the trans bit, given the context of the image. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, banana said: Flashback to June with the Guardian virtue signaling their way to complete failure If this was the Telegraph predicting a Trump win and a right wing renaissance, would that be "virtue signalling"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Welshy needs to learn the difference between good terrorists freedom fighters and bad terrorists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Sounds a bit like he thought Clinton would win. Not that predicting the election incorrectly is any disgrace. So did most people. It is, though, a bit odd slagging off a newspaper for suggesting that Clinton would win when he, quite obviously, thought the same. Oh, but it's a snowflake-Progressive-Political-Correctness-gone-made-do-gooder-Liberal sh*te newspaper. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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