NotThePars Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Yeah I don't really have any time for the Idealogically Pure who have Thought About Things A Great Deal and opted not to dirty their conscience using their vote.Most of the people I’ve read who can’t in good conscience vote for Biden are active in multiple forms of activism and are voting for other down ballot candidates come November. I wouldn’t go as far as the people who dismiss all voting asa bourgeois affectation and I’ve voted in all but one elections I’ve been allowed to vote in but there are plenty of well thought out and sensible reasons for people (largely in safe seats) to refuse to give Biden their vote. People can talk down to these people and tell voters they’re being childish for not sucking it up and voting for the lesser of two evils again but that’s one of the big reasons why social democratic parties have been taking Ls for the last two decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Quote “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I totally see why people don't vote Biden and have no problem with it. I DO have a problem with people saying they're just as bad as each other, when they're clearly not. I'd probably vote Biden if it was my place to do so but I'm not sure how good I'd feel about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Andre Drazen said: I totally see why people don't vote Biden and have no problem with it. I DO have a problem with people saying they're just as bad as each other, when they're clearly not. I'd probably vote Biden if it was my place to do so but I'm not sure how good I'd feel about it. Right. Voting for Biden unenthusiastically and unhesitatingly seems an entirely reasonable point of view. Abstaining in swing states because Biden isn't Bernie doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I suspect that many on the left not planning to vote are doing so because they are just fed up of being ratfucked and taken for granted by a party that has zero interest in meaningful change. *smirking 'yeah, I'm offering you f**k all, but check the other guy out, just vote for me and shut the f**k up' Trying to pitch this election as an end of days, defining battle for the soul of the republic isn't washing with them either and there's probably a case for saying that 4 or 8 years of Biden/Harris managed decline could well produce a 2024/28 Republican candidate even worse than Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Sure we can move him left after he wins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The unfathomable thing is how the Democratic Party allowed octogenarians (or close to it) like Pelosi and Biden to hold on to the top rungs by their grasping finger nails like the dying days of the Soviet Empire. I can understand Pelosi a bit as she's still sharp as a razor despite appearances, but, along with RBG, they could well have fucked the country for another 4 years, along with other parts of the planet, because of a refusal to admit they should have retired a decade ago at least. The Democrats should be stomping home in this election by a landslide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Because the Democrats are more scared of their base than the Republicans are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: Right. Voting for Biden unenthusiastically and unhesitatingly seems an entirely reasonable point of view. Abstaining in swing states because Biden isn't Bernie doesn't. Biden is better than Trump. Biden is far better than Trump. Far from an ideal candidate/prospective President, but still far better than Trump. Anyone claiming otherwise is an arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Trump getting booed as he goes to pay his respects to Ginsburg will have him raging on twitter later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: Fairly substantial chance that by then, Texas will have more hispanic, black and asian voters than white, at which point you'd have to assume that's game over for republicans: https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2019/20190128_PopProjectionsBrief.pdf Anyway - the above idea that crappy candidates don't earn votes is exactly why republicans win enough at the moment. They hate their enemy and will use every possible option and scrap of power to frustrate them. For whatever reason democrats think rising above this is clever and noble and this includes the ones who won't vote for Biden. Texas also has Austin - one of the most liberal cities in the US. Texas is one almighty confused state. 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: The unfathomable thing is how the Democratic Party allowed octogenarians (or close to it) like Pelosi and Biden to hold on to the top rungs by their grasping finger nails like the dying days of the Soviet Empire. I can understand Pelosi a bit as she's still sharp as a razor despite appearances, but, along with RBG, they could well have fucked the country for another 4 years, along with other parts of the planet, because of a refusal to admit they should have retired a decade ago at least. The Democrats should be stomping home in this election by a landslide. It’s like any political party. It eventually becomes careerist dominated. There’s also a staggering lack of talent in the older generations of the Democratic Party. Incompetence + myopia = stumbling against a hopeless candidate. 35 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Because the Democrats are more scared of their base than the Republicans are. This is unquestionably true. And, in the long term, probably a good thing. 26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Biden is better than Trump. Biden is far better than Trump. Far from an ideal candidate/prospective President, but still far better than Trump. Anyone claiming otherwise is an arsehole. Right. There’s no contradiction in anything you wrote there. I guess the current climate demands we frame thing in absolutes, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Right. There’s no contradiction in anything you wrote there. I guess the current climate demands we frame thing in absolutes, though. There is no contradiction, no. Biden is a far better candidate for anyone with more than two brain cells between their ears. Like Clinton before him was, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Fairly substantial chance that by then, Texas will have more hispanic, black and asian voters than white, at which point you'd have to assume that's game over for republicans: https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2019/20190128_PopProjectionsBrief.pdf Texas is now a swing state with a big electoral college total and will probably turn blue. This is balanced out somewhat by the true blue rust belt states turning purple and red. Also worth remembering that the GOP are the undisputed masters of gerrymandering. I can't see them sitting ildly by as demographics contrive to guarantee a democrat president. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Texas is now a swing state with a big electoral college total and will probably turn blue. This is balanced out somewhat by the true blue rust belt states turning purple and red. Also worth remembering that the GOP are the undisputed masters of gerrymandering. I can't see them sitting ildly by as demographics contrive to guarantee a democrat president. The gerrymandering is mental, John Oliver did a very good piece on it, the GOP are pretty open about their motivations behind it. Edited September 24, 2020 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 If the lefties in the states petulantly stay at home because they cant vote for Bernie then they pretty much deserve everything they get. Biden is far from an ideal candidate but if you look at the Democrats as a whole, they are slowly being pulled to the left by the new wave of congressional candidates. The old establishment of wall street toadies is becoming smaller and it would be far better for them to continue the change in power than out. Nobody branding themselves as a socialist is ever going to win the presidency in the US. A social Democrat could eventually get there but it's going to take implementation of policies bit by bit to show the gun toting, freedom loving yanks that free healthcare for all isn't going to turn them into the cold war era Soviet Union. Trump has to go. If a president gets away with behaving the way he has and retains power, the GOP is now stacked with emboldened lunatics, some of whom could do worse than anything Trump has done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 BUT BIDEN STUTTERS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Biden is far from an ideal candidate but if you look at the Democrats as a whole, they are slowly being pulled to the left by the new wave of congressional candidates. The old establishment of wall street toadies is becoming smaller and it would be far better for them to continue the change in power than out. There's about 7 left wing Democrats out of 300 odd Senators and Congress members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 HB really swinging for the fences these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 12 hours ago, MixuFruit said: This sounded a bit low, given the extraordinary efforts of their own party to stamp them out, so I had a look and found this which puts it nearer 100: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus No Senators at all and Joe Kennedy III on the list which suggests 'Progressive' is broad enough to take in Starmer/Sturgreon style left 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 these are the people defending democracy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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