bob the tank Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 bang Boycott was Irish you ignorant trolling walloper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So Scotland should just eat it's cereal and shut up says redhandrob. Ad the point is independent countries do always get what they want in areas like deciding whether to be in the EU, who governs your country and when it goes to war. Only Scotland, Wales and n Ireland don't get to do these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Folding is almost always better than playing with a shit hand. Poor analogy IMO. You play Gordon!? How many times have you thought 'I would have beaten that' !!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So Scotland should just eat it's cereal and shut up says redhandrob. Ad the point is independent countries do always get what they want in areas like deciding whether to be in the EU, who governs your country and when it goes to war. Only Scotland, Wales and n Ireland don't get to do these things. A second Ref, will happen eventually Pep, but I'm pretty sure we'll get the same result with the SNP at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Then we try again, only takes a generation to die out, 75% of under 35s support independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Then we try again, only takes a generation to die out, 75% of under 35s support independence. So you're gonna have to wait a wee while Pep, no problem with that eh!? at least until this Brexit mess is sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: You play Gordon!? How many times have you thought 'I would have beaten that' !!? Way fewer times than I've thought 'good fold'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Way fewer times than I've thought 'good fold'. Sounds about right G, you're obviously very cautious! Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Afraid not wes, indyref2 has to be before brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: Sounds about right G, you're obviously very cautious! Fair enough. Not so much cautious as just sane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: *spins massive f**k off wheel of groups affected by British colonialism* and today it's all the people that died in concentration camps in Kenya. Ancient history of irrelevance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Afraid not wes, indyref2 has to be before brexit. Sorry Pep, it won't go through WM again before Brexit is sorted, JMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not so much cautious as just sane. That's a shame, would love a wee shot at 3 card stud with you![emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: A bit like life in general, you don't always get what you want (and certainly not demand), but if you play the hand you're dealt with, you've still a better chance than noisily folding and then being punted off the table for being drunk. Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else. If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else. If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist. A British Scot Antlion, most of us feel the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, Antlion said: Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else. If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist. 9 hours ago, strichener said: This is getting beyond tedious. If you seriously want to look at the "Scottish People" as some single collective where the majority opinion should be respected then answer this: How many Scottish people voted for and against parties that favour the retention of Westminster at the last Scottish Parliament elections in 2016? To help you try and get favourable numbers, you can use either the list or constituency voting. Once you have worked that out you can explain why your opinion is more valued than the majority of the "Scottish People". If Scotland is ever to get Independence then it needs to get a majority of Scottish People to vote for that outcome. People are not going to be convinced by attempts to ridicule their current position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just now, RedRob72 said: A British Scot Antlion, most of us feel the same! Meaningless rhetoric in the face of unanswerable questions. It does make me wonder if you retreat into this jingoistic meaninglessness as some sort of defence mechanism that saves you from having to explain (which of course you can't do) how you can claim to recognise Scotland as a nation at the same time as you recognise the UK as the nation state, the demographics of which render Scotland's voice powerless when it comes to deciding on who governs it at sovereign level, and whether or not is retains or loses membership of wider institutions. British Nationalists really do make the most cringe-worthy, plastic Scots. I've often thought it's why they are so vehemently opposed to the SNP - that big bad party put this whole independence issue on the table and revealed how thin their "love" for Scotland was; they love it so much they want it to be an outvoted region of the country they actually adore, and thereby want it to accept a political system they'd never tolerate for the blessed UK, because they know it's unpalatable for a real state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I see Tom Harris is still so exhausted by tedium he keeps quoting himself and studiously avoiding any discourse with his fellow proponents of the supremacy of the UK government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So none of the yoons has managed to answer my question yet. No surprise really.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Meaningless rhetoric in the face of unanswerable questions. It does make me wonder if you retreat into this jingoistic meaninglessness as some sort of defence mechanism that saves you from having to explain (which of course you can't do) how you can claim to recognise Scotland as a nation at the same time as you recognise the UK as the nation state, the demographics of which render Scotland's voice powerless when it comes to deciding on who governs it at sovereign level, and whether or not is retains or loses membership of wider institutions. British Nationalists really do make the most cringe-worthy, plastic Scots. I've often thought it's why they are so vehemently opposed to the SNP - that big bad party put this whole independence issue on the table and revealed how thin their "love" for Scotland was; they love it so much they want it to be an outvoted region of the country they actually adore, and thereby want it to accept a political system they'd never tolerate for the blessed UK, because they know it's unpalatable for a real state. The British Nationalism tag isn't popular in Scotland, The British Unionist vote holds sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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