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So Scotland should just eat it's cereal and shut up says redhandrob.   Ad the point is independent countries do always get what they want in areas like deciding whether to be in the EU, who governs your country and when it goes to war.   Only Scotland,  Wales and n Ireland don't get to do these things. 

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So Scotland should just eat it's cereal and shut up says redhandrob.   Ad the point is independent countries do always get what they want in areas like deciding whether to be in the EU, who governs your country and when it goes to war.   Only Scotland,  Wales and n Ireland don't get to do these things. 

A second Ref, will happen eventually Pep, but I'm pretty sure we'll get the same result with the SNP at the helm.
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Then we try again, only takes a generation to die out, 75% of under 35s support independence. 

So you're gonna have to wait a wee while Pep, no problem with that eh!? at least until this Brexit mess is sorted out.
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1 hour ago, RedRob72 said:


A bit like life in general, you don't always get what you want (and certainly not demand), but if you play the hand you're dealt with, you've still a better chance than noisily folding and then being punted off the table for being drunk.

Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else.

If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist.

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Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else.
If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist.

A British Scot Antlion, most of us feel the same!
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5 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Scotland isn't meant to be a person, or a card player. It's meant to be a nation, yet you're happy for it to be treated as a region of another nation. If you weren't, you wouldn't accept its national decisions being ignored due to the national decisions of another nation. After all, you wouldn't accept the UK's decisions at the ballot box being disregarded because other countries want something else.

If you genuinely see Scotland as a nation in any kind of equitable "union", then you have to explain why its wishes can be completely disregarded because one of the other nations in that union is bigger. Again; you would not accept the UK to be in the position Scotland is in, or anything like it. Reflect on that, and you might just realise why people call you out on being a Scottish regionalist.

 

 

9 hours ago, strichener said:

This is getting beyond tedious.  If you seriously want to look at the "Scottish People" as some single collective where the majority opinion should be respected then answer this:

How many Scottish people voted for and against parties that favour the retention of Westminster at the last Scottish Parliament elections in 2016?  To help you try and get favourable numbers, you can use either the list or constituency voting.

Once you have worked that out you can explain why your opinion is more valued than the majority of the "Scottish People".  If Scotland is ever to get Independence then it needs to get a majority of Scottish People to vote for that outcome.  People are not going to be convinced by attempts to ridicule their current position.

 

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Just now, RedRob72 said:


A British Scot Antlion, most of us feel the same!

Meaningless rhetoric in the face of unanswerable questions. It does make me wonder if you retreat into this jingoistic meaninglessness as some sort of defence mechanism that saves you from having to explain (which of course you can't do) how you can claim to recognise Scotland as a nation at the same time as you recognise the UK as the nation state, the demographics of which render Scotland's voice powerless when it comes to deciding on who governs it at sovereign level, and whether or not is retains or loses membership of wider institutions.

British Nationalists really do make the most cringe-worthy, plastic Scots. I've often thought it's why they are so vehemently opposed to the SNP - that big bad party put this whole independence issue on the table and revealed how thin their "love" for Scotland was; they love it so much they want it to be an outvoted region of the country they actually adore, and thereby want it to accept a political system they'd never tolerate for the blessed UK, because they know it's unpalatable for a real state.

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Meaningless rhetoric in the face of unanswerable questions. It does make me wonder if you retreat into this jingoistic meaninglessness as some sort of defence mechanism that saves you from having to explain (which of course you can't do) how you can claim to recognise Scotland as a nation at the same time as you recognise the UK as the nation state, the demographics of which render Scotland's voice powerless when it comes to deciding on who governs it at sovereign level, and whether or not is retains or loses membership of wider institutions.
British Nationalists really do make the most cringe-worthy, plastic Scots. I've often thought it's why they are so vehemently opposed to the SNP - that big bad party put this whole independence issue on the table and revealed how thin their "love" for Scotland was; they love it so much they want it to be an outvoted region of the country they actually adore, and thereby want it to accept a political system they'd never tolerate for the blessed UK, because they know it's unpalatable for a real state.

The British Nationalism tag isn't popular in Scotland, The British Unionist vote holds sway.
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