Hard Brexit: Relation to Scottish Independence.

[AUFC90]

16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

What a lot of unadulterated pish.  The SNP are representing Scotland's interests on this matter, and seeking to implement the will of the majority of the Scottish people who voted in the EU referendum.

Sounds like he's agreeing with you to me.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, AUFC90 said:

Sounds like he's agreeing with you to me.

Christ so he is.  I'm sorry it's purely instinctive when I see his posts.  Thanks for putting me right.

 

 

 

And apologies to oaksoft 

 

 

[terracingtam]

26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

What a lot of unadulterated pish.  The SNP are representing Scotland's interests on this matter, and seeking to implement the will of the majority of the Scottish people who voted in the EU referendum.

They are also forever seeking to totally disregard the will of the majority of the Scottish people who voted in the Indtref.

[1320Lichtie]

They are also forever seeking to totally disregard the will of the majority of the Scottish people who voted in the Indtref.

An Indyref based on continued EU membership...

[Wee Willie]

1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

An Indyref based on continued EU membership...

 

and an indyref not writ in stone.

[wastecoatwilly]

If the Seville oranges go up in price i mite change my vote in indyref 3 doh! 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Christ so he is.  I'm sorry it's purely instinctive when I see his posts.  Thanks for putting me right.
 
 
 
And apologies to oaksoft [emoji20]
 
 

I spotted that as well you daft goat!!

[emoji1]

[HTG]

11 hours ago, terracingtam said:

They are also forever seeking to totally disregard the will of the majority of the Scottish people who voted in the Indtref.

Tam, did you miss the manifesto commitment of the SNP before they were democratically re-elected? The bit about reserving the right to go back to the people in the event of material change. 

[McSpreader]

On 22/01/2017 at 00:27, John Lambies Doos said:

The British media sicken me. During the independence referendum it was all about the EU.. EU good... now it's all EU bad because it suits the unionist agenda. Arseholes

EU Bad !

[Granny Danger]

7 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Apology accepted but this is becoming a habit with you bud.

Feel free to remove the red dot as well if you like.

Red dot removed and replaced with a green dot.  Further green dot given to your last post too.

 

Didnt think someone with a PhD would be so obsessed with the rep system.  

[orfc]

This is the snp position:

1. Hard brexit will be really bad, as it will then be hard to trade with the EU

2. We should leave the UK and try and stay in the EU to keep our trade with them

3. There will be no effect on our 4x bigger trade with the rest of the uk though, even though we'd be in the eu and we just said point 1

4. What do you mean that's Trump-level provably illogical bollocks? Erm..... look! An eagle!

 

 

[AUFC90]

[Bishop Briggs]

It's worth posting the views of Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate and economic adviser to Sturgeon, on the Euro - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/10/joseph-stiglitz-the-problem-with-europe-is-the-euro

"The eurozone was flawed at birth. The structure of the eurozone – the rules, regulations and institutions that govern it – is to blame for the poor performance of the region, including its multiple crises. The diversity of Europe had been its strength. But for a single currency to work over a region with enormous economic and political diversity is not easy. A single currency entails a fixed exchange rate among the countries, and a single interest rate. Even if these are set to reflect the circumstances in the majority of member countries, given the economic diversity, there needs to be an array of institutions that can help those nations for which the policies are not well suited. Europe failed to create these institutions."

"Worse still, the structure of the eurozone built in certain ideas about what was required for economic success – for instance, that the central bank should focus on inflation, as opposed to the mandate of the Federal Reserve in the US, which incorporates unemployment, growth and stability. It was not simply that the eurozone was not structured to accommodate Europe’s economic diversity; it was that the structure of the eurozone, its rules and regulations, were not designed to promote growth, employment and stability."

"It is perhaps natural that the eurozone’s leaders want to blame the victim – to blame the countries in recession or depression or reeling from a referendum result – for bringing about this state of affairs. They do not want to blame themselves and the great institutions that they have helped create, and which they now head. But blaming the victim will not solve the euro problem – and it is in large measure unfair."

"It should have surprised no one that Europe’s response to the UK’s referendum was dominated by the same harsh response that greeted Greece’s June 2015 ballot-box rejection of its bailout package. Herman Van Rompuy, a former European council president, expressed a widespread feeling when he said that David Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum “was the worst policy decision in decades”. In so saying, he revealed a deep antipathy towards democratic accountability. Understandably so: in most of the cases in which voters have been directly turned to, they have rejected the euro, the European Union and the European constitution. Moreover, polls at the time of Brexit showed that a majority of those in many European countries besides the UK had an unfavourable view of the EU (including Greece, France, and Spain)."

[AUFC90]

3 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

It's worth posting the views of Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate and economic adviser to Sturgeon, on the Euro - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/10/joseph-stiglitz-the-problem-with-europe-is-the-euro

"The eurozone was flawed at birth. The structure of the eurozone – the rules, regulations and institutions that govern it – is to blame for the poor performance of the region, including its multiple crises. The diversity of Europe had been its strength. But for a single currency to work over a region with enormous economic and political diversity is not easy. A single currency entails a fixed exchange rate among the countries, and a single interest rate. Even if these are set to reflect the circumstances in the majority of member countries, given the economic diversity, there needs to be an array of institutions that can help those nations for which the policies are not well suited. Europe failed to create these institutions."

"Worse still, the structure of the eurozone built in certain ideas about what was required for economic success – for instance, that the central bank should focus on inflation, as opposed to the mandate of the Federal Reserve in the US, which incorporates unemployment, growth and stability. It was not simply that the eurozone was not structured to accommodate Europe’s economic diversity; it was that the structure of the eurozone, its rules and regulations, were not designed to promote growth, employment and stability."

"It is perhaps natural that the eurozone’s leaders want to blame the victim – to blame the countries in recession or depression or reeling from a referendum result – for bringing about this state of affairs. They do not want to blame themselves and the great institutions that they have helped create, and which they now head. But blaming the victim will not solve the euro problem – and it is in large measure unfair."

"It should have surprised no one that Europe’s response to the UK’s referendum was dominated by the same harsh response that greeted Greece’s June 2015 ballot-box rejection of its bailout package. Herman Van Rompuy, a former European council president, expressed a widespread feeling when he said that David Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum “was the worst policy decision in decades”. In so saying, he revealed a deep antipathy towards democratic accountability. Understandably so: in most of the cases in which voters have been directly turned to, they have rejected the euro, the European Union and the European constitution. Moreover, polls at the time of Brexit showed that a majority of those in many European countries besides the UK had an unfavourable view of the EU (including Greece, France, and Spain)."

Funny how you thought a currency union was ridiculous when it was him that recommended it.

[Bishop Briggs]

11 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

Funny how you thought a currency union was ridiculous when it was him that recommended it.

Stiglitz is now advocating a new Scottish currency, the exact policy that I suggested as an alternative to the currency union. Funny how the SNP supporters still want a currency union.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

This is the snp position:
1. Hard brexit will be really bad, as it will then be hard to trade with the EU
2. We should leave the UK and try and stay in the EU to keep our trade with them
3. There will be no effect on our 4x bigger trade with the rest of the uk though, even though we'd be in the eu and we just said point 1
4. What do you mean that's Trump-level provably illogical bollocks? Erm..... look! An eagle!
 
 

Project fear.

[AUFC90]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

Stiglitz is now advocating a new Scottish currency, the exact policy that I suggested as an alternative to the currency union. Funny how the SNP supporters still want a currency union.

I'm happy with all options as they are all workable. Stiglitz agrees.

[AUFC90]

Just now, The Chlamydia Kid said:

Project fear.

Stop having convos with your various accounts you utter weirdo 

[McSpreader]

18 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

It's worth posting the views of Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate and economic adviser to Sturgeon, on the Euro - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/10/joseph-stiglitz-the-problem-with-europe-is-the-euro

"The eurozone was flawed at birth. The structure of the eurozone – the rules, regulations and institutions that govern it – is to blame for the poor performance of the region, including its multiple crises. The diversity of Europe had been its strength. But for a single currency to work over a region with enormous economic and political diversity is not easy. A single currency entails a fixed exchange rate among the countries, and a single interest rate. Even if these are set to reflect the circumstances in the majority of member countries, given the economic diversity, there needs to be an array of institutions that can help those nations for which the policies are not well suited. Europe failed to create these institutions."

"Worse still, the structure of the eurozone built in certain ideas about what was required for economic success – for instance, that the central bank should focus on inflation, as opposed to the mandate of the Federal Reserve in the US, which incorporates unemployment, growth and stability. It was not simply that the eurozone was not structured to accommodate Europe’s economic diversity; it was that the structure of the eurozone, its rules and regulations, were not designed to promote growth, employment and stability."

"It is perhaps natural that the eurozone’s leaders want to blame the victim – to blame the countries in recession or depression or reeling from a referendum result – for bringing about this state of affairs. They do not want to blame themselves and the great institutions that they have helped create, and which they now head. But blaming the victim will not solve the euro problem – and it is in large measure unfair."

"It should have surprised no one that Europe’s response to the UK’s referendum was dominated by the same harsh response that greeted Greece’s June 2015 ballot-box rejection of its bailout package. Herman Van Rompuy, a former European council president, expressed a widespread feeling when he said that David Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum “was the worst policy decision in decades”. In so saying, he revealed a deep antipathy towards democratic accountability. Understandably so: in most of the cases in which voters have been directly turned to, they have rejected the euro, the European Union and the European constitution. Moreover, polls at the time of Brexit showed that a majority of those in many European countries besides the UK had an unfavourable view of the EU (including Greece, France, and Spain)."

Which is the same as saying that voting to Leave was the only sensible and the common sense option for the UK.

Ergo, what does that say about Remainers?

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, AUFC90 said:

I'm happy with all options as they are all workable. Stiglitz agrees.

No he doesn't - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37219612

"A Nobel prize-winning economist says Scotland's plans for a currency union with the UK during the independence campaign may have been a "mistake".

"Joseph Stiglitz is part of First Minster Nicola Sturgeon's council of economic advisors, and advised Alex Salmond when he was in office.

"He said Scotland should have looked at proposals for a "Scottish pound" as a transitional measure."