Bambino7 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 When did this happen? And what the f**k is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've got my head round how this works on about 7 separate occasions since it was announced, and then forgotten each time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Put at simplest: it's a third competitive tournament for European nations, after the World Cup and Euros, largely replacing friendlies. It will also be used to fill 4 places at Euro 2020. There are 4 divisions; there are 4 groups within each division. In the 3rd & 4th divisions each group has 4 nations; in the 1st & 2nd divisions each group has 3 nations. These groups play home-and-away in the autumn of 2018. Winner of each group promoted to the division above for next time; bottom of each group relegated to the division below for next time. Winners of the First Division groups contest the UEFA Nations League Finals Tournament in June 2017 (i.e. filling the empty June every 4yrs). Winners of that become champions of the UEFA Nations League. Then over the course of 2019 the Euro 2020 qualifying is held. This consists of 10 groups of 5/6 just like just now... but unlike last time around only the top 2 in each group qualify - all automatically. This fills 20 of the 24 places at Euro 2020. Then in March 2018 the last 4 places at Euro 2020 are filled. This is done by giving 1 place to each Nations League division - the highest team in each group not to have qualified for Euro 2020 through regular qualifying com together to contest SFs & Final, in a neutral city, with the 4 divisional winners qualifying... Accordingly a couple of 'smaller' countries are guaranteed to qualify for Euro 2020, and any bigger countries who screwed-up qualifying are likely to get a second chance. So the overall schedule of international football from now until Euro 2020 will look like this:Mar 2017 - 2x World Cup qualifiers or friendlies Jun 2017 - 2x World Cup qualifiers or friendliesSummer 2017 - Confederations Cup (host Russia) Sep 2017 - 2x World Cup qualifiers Oct 2017 - 2x World Cup qualifiers Nov 2017 - 2x World Cup playoffs or friendliesMar 2018 - 2x friendlies; or Artemio Franchi Intercontinental Trophy (host Italy) Summer 2018 - World Cup (host Russia) Sep 2018 - 2x Nations League group games Oct 2018 - 2x Nations League group games Nov 2018 - 2x Nations League group games Mar 2019 - 2x Euro 2020 qualifiers Jun 2019 - 2x Euro 2020 qualifiersSummer 2019 - UEFA Nations League Finals Tournament (host tbc) Sep 2019 - 2x Euro 2020 qualifiers Oct 2019 - 2x Euro 2020 qualifiers Nov 2019 - 2x Euro 2020 qualifiers Mar 2020 - Nations League playoffs for Euro 2020, single-leg SFs & Finals; or 2x friendlies Jun 2020 - 2x friendliesSummer 2020 - Euro 2020 (held Europe-wide) Edited January 26, 2017 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Fuctifano said: I've got my head round how this works on about 7 separate occasions since it was announced, and then forgotten each time. 7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Put at simplest: <400 words later>Summer 2020 - Euro 2020 (held Europe-wide) 8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I know, I know . But it's not really any easier to explain that that. Given that the entire exercise then culminates in a Euro 2020 being held over 13 different countries makes things even worse of course. At the end of 4yrs you'll also get 3 bona fide global winners (Confederations Cup; Artemio Franchi Trophy; World Cup) and 2 bona fide continental winners (Nations League; Euros). Perhaps they should arrange another tournament to decide the overall winner ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) UEFA's "explanatories": Edited January 26, 2017 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Right now these would be the NL draw-pots:Division A Pot 1 - Germany, Russia, Belgium, Portugal Pot 2 - Spain, England, Italy, Switzerland Pot 3 - Croatia, Poland, France, IcelandDivision B Pot 1 - Netherlands, Austria, Wales, Ukraine Pot 2 - Eire, Hungary, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Slovakia Pot 3 - Sweden, Romania, Czech Rep, TurkeyDivision C Pot 1 - Slovenia, Northern Ireland, Israel, Albania Pot 2 - Denmark, Greece, Montenegro, Norway Pot 3 - Scotland, Serbia, Bulgaria, Lithuania Pot 4 - Finland, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, [Blank]Division D Pot 1 - Estonia, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia Pot 2 - Latvia, Faroe Islands, Kazakhstan, Moldova Pot 3 - FYR Macedonia, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Malta Pot 4 - San Marino, Andorra, Gibraltar, Kosovo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 What happens in the (surely likely) event that all 12 teams in Division A qualify for the Euros? Does Division B get two play off winner slots or is there some other way of organising who takes that space? Highest UEFA ranking team not to qualify or something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 14 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: What happens in the (surely likely) event that all 12 teams in Division A qualify for the Euros? Does Division B get two play off winner slots or is there some other way of organising who takes that space? Highest UEFA ranking team not to qualify or something? Conkers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) If it had run ahead of Euro 2016 my recollection is that everyone except the Netherlands would already have qualified and so they would have qualified by default... If all 12 make it - I am not sure that is hugely likely but it's certainly possible - then my expectation would be that the place drops to Division B and they only have 2 Sfs (or 2 Finals depending upon your preferred nomenclature). It's also been announced that seeding pots for Euro 2020 qualifying will be based on NL finishing positions: not had time to digest the full ramifications of that (will surely mean lots of tie-breaks on GD, GF, etc.)... but could be negative given we're Division C, i.e. reaching Pot 3 could require winning our group. Edited January 27, 2017 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino7 Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 27/01/2017 at 11:31, HibeeJibee said: If it had run ahead of Euro 2016 my recollection is that everyone except the Netherlands would already have qualified and so they would have qualified by default... If all 12 make it - I am not sure that is hugely likely but it's certainly possible - then my expectation would be that the place drops to Division B and they only have 2 Sfs (or 2 Finals depending upon your preferred nomenclature). It's also been announced that seeding pots for Euro 2020 qualifying will be based on NL finishing positions: not had time to digest the full ramifications of that (will surely mean lots of tie-breaks on GD, GF, etc.)... but could be negative given we're Division C, i.e. reaching Pot 3 could require winning our group. Even you can't sex this tournament up m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Difficult to argue with that. I suppose it's like an international version of the Drybrough Cup or ZDS Trophy - people aren't going to get very interested in a third competition unless they make the final - and having an extremely involved format doesn't help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I like the basic format, it's very similar to how the ice hockey world championships have been run for decades. Much as Montrose will likely never grace the Premiership but would love promotion to League one, it'll be good for countries like Finland (or dare I say Scotland) who have very little chance of making a major tournament but can aim for legitimate success with a promotion. It would also give added meaning to what are currently friendlies, Scotland vs Denmark would perhaps have been slightly less dreadful if a promotion/relegation was riding on it. Where it fails is with the unnecessary complication of Euro qualifying spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 16:35, HibeeJibee said: UEFA's "explanatories": 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: I like the basic format, it's very similar to how the ice hockey world championships have been run for decades. Much as Montrose will likely never grace the Premiership but would love promotion to League one, it'll be good for countries like Finland (or dare I say Scotland) who have very little chance of making a major tournament but can aim for legitimate success with a promotion. It would also give added meaning to what are currently friendlies, Scotland vs Denmark would perhaps have been slightly less dreadful if a promotion/relegation was riding on it. Where it fails is with the unnecessary complication of Euro qualifying spots. Seems they plan to run it every other year too. Overkill maybe. Presumably it won't receive WC slots though. Also means a Finals Tournament then Confederations Cup in one June. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchBorderer Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Think this is the best explanation for the birth (it might have been summoned through Satanic rituals, I'm not sure yet) of this eldritch abomination of a tournament; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 At least I can now see Scotland be relegated... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) On 26/01/2017 at 16:47, HibeeJibee said: Right now these would be the NL draw-pots:Division A Pot 1 - Germany, Russia, Belgium, Portugal Pot 2 - Spain, England, Italy, Switzerland Pot 3 - Croatia, Poland, France, IcelandDivision B Pot 1 - Netherlands, Austria, Wales, Ukraine Pot 2 - Eire, Hungary, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Slovakia Pot 3 - Sweden, Romania, Czech Rep, TurkeyDivision C Pot 1 - Slovenia, Northern Ireland, Israel, Albania Pot 2 - Denmark, Greece, Montenegro, Norway Pot 3 - Scotland, Serbia, Bulgaria, Lithuania Pot 4 - Finland, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, [Blank]Division D Pot 1 - Estonia, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia Pot 2 - Latvia, Faroe Islands, Kazakhstan, Moldova Pot 3 - FYR Macedonia, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Malta Pot 4 - San Marino, Andorra, Gibraltar, Kosovo That's a lot of air miles for Faroe Islands. Edit: oh wait the pot is the seeding. Edited February 1, 2017 by Antiochas III 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latino Lover Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Probably not best place for it but didn't seem worth a new thread. Germany please. http://bbc.in/2mZadkp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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