HibeeJibee Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I take it that it was this thing that first saw Dundee United Dallas Tornado wear tangerine? That's correct. There was a precursor tournament called the International Soccer League which ran across North America from 1960 to 1965. It involved European and South American clubs playing openly under their own names. In the first two and the last seasons there was also a local "New York Americans" select. There were 2 divisions each season - one in June, one in July - of between 5 and 7 clubs each. Winners played a Grand Final in August. It was considered important and lucrative enough that Scotland's place was decided by league position, initially ranking ahead of the Fairs and Ango-Franco-Scottish cups. Kilmarnock qualified as runners-up in 1960; and 1961; Dundee as champion in 1962 (entered European Cup too); Kilmarnock as runners-up in 1963; Hearts as 4th in 1964; Killie as champions in 1965 (entered European Cup too). Killie won their division in the inaugural ISL 1960 but lost the Grand Final to Bangu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: That's correct. There was a precursor tournament called the International Soccer League which ran across North America from 1960 to 1965. It involved European and South American clubs playing openly under their own names. In the first two and the last seasons there was also a local "New York Americans" select. There were 2 divisions each season - one in June, one in July - of between 5 and 7 clubs each. Winners played a Grand Final in August. It was considered important and lucrative enough that Scotland's place was decided by league position, initially ranking ahead of the Fairs and Ango-Franco-Scottish cups. Kilmarnock qualified as runners-up in 1960; and 1961; Dundee as champion in 1962 (entered European Cup too); Kilmarnock as runners-up in 1963; Hearts as 4th in 1964; Killie as champions in 1965 (entered European Cup too). Killie won their division in the inaugural ISL 1960 but lost the Grand Final to Bangu. Were these events lucrative for the clubs involved then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Most definitely - either through receiving a lump sum for going, or a share of the gates, or both. That's why they would spend much of the summer playing in North American-based competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 46 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I take it that it was this thing that first saw Dundee United wear tangerine? The anecdote is that Jerry Kerr's missus convinced him to permanently change from white shirts to tangerine. However, the navy blue shorts were binned and replaced by black ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The pronunciation and spelling of Kilmarnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: The pronunciation and spelling of Kilmarnock It's still a brilliant find. I love watching these auld games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 After 1967 U-S-A and NPSL merged as NASL for 1968. However for 1969 'ringers' returned - 3 English and 2 Scottish. Dundee Utd became Dallas Tornado again while Killie acted as St Louis Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 U-S-A … Week #1, Day #2 Boston Rovers (Shamrock Rovers) 1 Detroit Cougars (Glentoran) 1 Eastern Conference match at the Manning Bowl, Lynn attendance: 7,343 New York Skyliners (Cerro) 1 Toronto City (Hibernian) 1 Eastern Conference match at the Yankee Stadium attendance: 21,871 Toronto City made a credible start to their U-S-A campaign with a draw in New York before a large crowd at the Yankee Stadium. Allan McGraw scored a goal described as a “thunderbolt effort” to earn Toronto a fair share of the points. San Francisco GGGs (ADO Den Haag) 6 Vancounver Royal Canadians (Sunderland) 1 Western Conference match at the Kezar Stadium attendance: 8,177 Chicago Mustangs (Calgliari) 0 Dallas Tornado (Dundee Utd) 1 Western Conference match at Comiskey Park attendance: 9,872 Dallas Tornado made an excellent start in the Western Conference via an away victory in Chicago. Finn Dossing the Danish centre forward earnt them 2 points with a well-taken effort which has them near the top after the opening games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 What season did Dundee United first wear tangerine domestically, and do we know how it was received? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: What season did Dundee United first wear tangerine domestically, and do we know how it was received? 1969/70. Started seeing a few tangerine & black scarves around as those were the days when people hardly ever bought club shirts let alone wear them in public, unless having a kick about at the Cairdie or the likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 On 28 January 2017 at 00:15, The_Kincardine said: Indeed. I was 7 in 1967 and all this "Berwick Rangers" chat just never happened. That the wee team's goalkeeper would go on to be a double treble winning manager for Rangers is the stuff of dreams Although not half as good as being non league and beating Newcastle in the FA Cup and the Tyneside goalie being a certain Ronnie Simpson. Both played that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 On 1 February 2017 at 00:46, The_Kincardine said: Not even. 1961 was better. Scotland in 1963 was better still. You're clearly pandering to the grey and green dross, buddy. Clutching at straws in desperation...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 On 11 February 2017 at 00:21, third lanark said: It certainly wouldn't be the greatest year from a Third Lanark Supporters viewpoint sadly You could always go and watch Pollok....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 On 20 February 2017 at 14:33, HibeeJibee said: I think point 3 is certainly correct... Family members in the generations above me would go through to the Scottish Cup Final each season - or if it wasn't annually at least quite often - as neutrals, from the other side of Scotland. Seem to have treated it like going to the internationals. I'm not so sure of point 1... I've read of other games the same day - including Third Lanark games or youth internationals at the other end of the street from Hampden intended to attract anyone locked-out if or when the Ground Full signs went up. Have to look into it. Bemused at folks gasping at 100,000 plus crowds. The last two Scottish Cup Finals could easily have sold that number of tickets had Hampden been big enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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