No Voters - what say you?

[DublinMagyar]

Can't you what?

You......win?

[doulikefish]

Heres the green party manifesto for the 2016 elections,fill your boots

https://greens.scot/sites/default/files/Manifestos/Scottish Greens Manifesto_Online.pdf

[Shades75]

2 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said:

You......win?

How?

[Shades75]

2015 Tory manifesto;

"We are clear about what we want from Europe: We say yes to the single market."

"We want to expand the single market, breaking down the remaining barriers to trade and ensuring that new sectors are opened up to British firms."

Oops.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

"If a new referendum is to happen it should come about by the will of the people and not be driven by calculations of party political advantage"

Where has the "will of the people" come from? It hasn't.
Party political advantage? Everyone knows this has been called as the SNP are unlikely to be in a position to gain a majority backing for a referendum in the next parliament. Sturgeon's hand has been forced to satisfy the demands of the newly politicised membership that's swelled the ranks of the SNP. This is an appeasement to them- like Cameron used the EU referendum to appease the euros sceptics in his party.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

2015 Tory manifesto;
"We are clear about what we want from Europe: We say yes to the single market."
"We want to expand the single market, breaking down the remaining barriers to trade and ensuring that new sectors are opened up to British firms."
Oops.

What on earth has that got to do with my point?

[MONKMAN]

16 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

 

Yes they did. They said that their should only be a referendum if the majority of people in Scotland and it shouldn't be called for party advantage- exactly what is happening.

 

I'd appreciate it, if you'd stop telling lies. Where does it say there should "only"? It doesn't. 

Edited March 29, 2017 by MONKMAN

[Shades75]

1 minute ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

What on earth has that got to do with my point?

You'll notice that my post was not in reply to anyone's point.

There is a current trend, on this thread, to attack manifesto commitments.  I thought I'd do the same, If that's all the same to you.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

It's irrelevant to the thread

[Shades75]

8 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

"If a new referendum is to happen it should come about by the will of the people and not be driven by calculations of party political advantage"

Where has the "will of the people" come from? It hasn't.
Party political advantage? Everyone knows this has been called as the SNP are unlikely to be in a position to gain a majority backing for a referendum in the next parliament. Sturgeon's hand has been forced to satisfy the demands of the newly politicised membership that's swelled the ranks of the SNP. This is an appeasement to them- like Cameron used the EU referendum to appease the euros sceptics in his party.

Do you think that a referendum resulting in a yes vote will be good for the SNP as a party?  In fact, what about a no vote, how will that impact the SNP.

I see a diminishing of the party either way, it might just take slightly longer in the case of a yes vote.  A no vote, IMO, will be devastating for the SNP, and Sturgeon.

The Tories were split on Europe.  Always were.  The SNP is not split on independence, never has been.  It's not a parallel comparison.

[Shades75]

5 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

It's irrelevant to the thread

Yet you raised the offensive behaviour at football act and fracking on this very thread.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

Yet you raised the offensive behaviour at football act and fracking on this very thread.

The SNP ignored the wishes of the Scottish parliament then- so why has the wishes of the Scottish parliament now became sacrosanct?

[The Chlamydia Kid]

Do you think that a referendum resulting in a yes vote will be good for the SNP as a party?  In fact, what about a no vote, how will that impact the SNP.
I see a diminishing of the party either way, it might just take slightly longer in the case of a yes vote.  A no vote, IMO, will be devastating for the SNP, and Sturgeon.
The Tories were split on Europe.  Always were.  The SNP is not split on independence, never has been.  It's not a parallel comparison.

The SNP are split between gradualists and fundamentalists. Always has been.

[Shades75]

3 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

The SNP ignored the wishes of the Scottish parliament then- so why has the wishes of the Scottish parliament now became sacrosanct?

Because to not allow an independence referendum is to allow another parliament and party, one not elected by the people of Scotland,  to overrule the elected parliament, by the people, of Scotland.

[Shades75]

9 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

The SNP are split between gradualists and fundamentalists. Always has been.

And probably by Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts, East Fife, Hockey, Rugby, tiddlywinks...

Still sports fans though.

[sparky88]

6 hours ago, Chapelhall chap said:

Thanks for info. So you think that concentrating/diverting  onto a referendum campaign attracts more subscriptions than improving lives via the "Day Job"?

For the SNP yes, no one has ever joined the SNP to lower the council tax.

[sparky88]

8 minutes ago, Shades75 said:

Because to not allow an independence referendum is to allow another parliament and party, one not elected by the people of Scotland,  to overrule the elected parliament, by the people, of Scotland.

Noone is stopping sturgeon having her referendum- it'll be sturgeon delaying the referendum anyway, with the way the polls are looking.

[Shades75]

3 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

For the SNP yes, no one has ever joined the SNP to lower the council tax.

Why did people join the SNP after the failure at the 2014 referendum?  We all thought at the time that it was off the table for a long time.

Is it not correct to say that most joined because they were enthused by a political party that they genuinely believed they could connect with and that could offer an alternative to the jack boot of the Tories?

Followed, of course, by the 2015 general election.  That wasn't an independence question either.

[Shades75]

3 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

Noone is stopping sturgeon having her referendum- it'll be sturgeon delaying the referendum anyway, with the way the polls are looking.

Was it not you who relentlessly belittled the idea of Sturgeon calling a referendum?

[sparky88]

Just now, Shades75 said:

Why did people join the SNP after the failure at the 2014 referendum?  We all thought at the time that it was off the table for a long time.

Is it not correct to say that most joined because they were enthused by a political party that they genuinely believed they could connect with and that could offer an alternative to the jack boot of the Tories?

Followed, of course, by the 2015 general election.  That wasn't an independence question either.

Given the SNP have been cutting themselves, using cuts to student grants to fund free tuition for middle earners for example, anyone joining to oppose the Tory cuts is naive.