Pyramidic Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Marten said: AFAIK, no Tayside clubs have applied to the EOS. That doesn't mean nothing is happening in Tayside, I know for a fact talks are ongoing between different parties re. the Tayside issue but it's not up to me to say what's going to happen. Nothing is official yet anyway so let's wait for news to come out. I suppose there is also the issue of where Tayport and Scone Thistle see their respective futures. If Tayside goes Senior north of the Tay then those two clubs are clearly in EOSFL territory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: I suppose there is also the issue of where Tayport and Scone Thistle see their respective futures. If Tayside goes Senior north of the Tay then those two clubs are clearly in EOSFL territory. A Tayport rep on a podcast said they would apply for the EoSFL if there was no alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: I suppose there is also the issue of where Tayport and Scone Thistle see their respective futures. If Tayside goes Senior north of the Tay then those two clubs are clearly in EOSFL territory. From what I heard is that the clubs want to move collectively. Both Scone & Tayport are very close to the boundary anyway, so they could get a similar exemption as Luncarty I'd imagine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: I suppose there is also the issue of where Tayport and Scone Thistle see their respective futures. If Tayside goes Senior north of the Tay then those two clubs are clearly in EOSFL territory. The line actually runs through the north end of Tayport, though their ground and most of the town are on the south side. You could say they're in a similar position to Luncarty, if a bit less so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, GordonS said: The line actually runs through the north end of Tayport, though their ground and most of the town are on the south side. You could say they're in a similar position to Luncarty, if a bit less so. It is much more messy than I previously understood. I had taken the view that all of Fife is within EOSFL territory. If we now start making the case that Tayport can compete in a Tayside League filtering into the HL, it perhaps makes room for a counter case for Dundee clubs participating in the EOSFL. League structures and administrative boundaries can be defined with a degree of flexibility. Hypothetically, if Lochee United were accepted into the EOSFL and subsequently won the Premier Division, the league rules could be aligned to direct LUFC into the HL Play-off system and not the LL Play-off system as the club is north of the Tay boundary. Similarly, if Tayport competed in a Tayside Senior league feeding into the HL and won the competition - they would compete in the LL play-off and not the HL play-off as they are south of the Tay. Rules and situations can be worked through to accommodate the Tayside issue. I hope that a lasting solution can be identified and implemented by league officials. Personally I feel that the SFA should be leading on this difficult issue but the world cannot be perfect. With Lockdown sadly still with us there would appear to be plenty of time at the moment for league officials and the affected clubs to devote to establishing and delivering a workable solution that will last for the foreseeable future. Edited March 11, 2021 by Pyramidic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: It is much more messy than I previously understood. I had taken the view that all of Fife is within EOSFL territory. If we now start making the case that Tayport can compete in a Tayside League filtering into the HL, it perhaps makes room for a counter case for Dundee clubs participating in the EOSFL. League structures and administrative boundaries can be defined with a degree of flexibility. Hypothetically, if Lochee United were accepted into the EOSFL and subsequently won the Premier Division, the league rules could be aligned to direct LUFC into the HL Play-off system and not the LL Play-off system as the club is north of the Tay boundary. Similarly, if Tayport competed in a Tayside Senior league feeding into the HL and won the competition - they would compete in the LL play-off and not the HL play-off as they are south of the Tay. Rules and situations can be worked through to accommodate the Tayside issue. I hope that a lasting solution can be identified and implemented by league officials. Personally I feel that the SFA should be leading on this difficult issue but the world cannot be perfect. Technically, that's not quite right. The only place you'll find the north-south line is in the SPFL play-off rules, to decide which league a relegated L2 club would go to. There's nothing in the LL rules & constitution about location of member clubs, and it says that clubs in the WoSFL, SoSFL and EoSFL will be promoted into the LL if they win that play-off. What that means is that if the EoSFL accepted Lochee as a member and they won the league and the play-off, they would get into the LL. If they won the LL they would play-off against the winner of the HL, and if they won that and then the play-off with SPFL club 42, they would get promoted into L2. But the following season, if they finished bottom of L2 and lost the play-off, they would automatically be relegated into the Highland League! The same is true of Luncarty, incidentally. They are current members of the EoSFL but their ground lies north of the hallowed line, and the rules allow no room for exceptions. These sorts of anomalies are why I'm hoping all the parties are in discussion to get Tayside & Angus into the pyramid, and resolve the boundaries in as fair a way as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: It is much more messy than I previously understood. I had taken the view that all of Fife is within EOSFL territory. It is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, GordonS said: Technically, that's not quite right. The only place you'll find the north-south line is in the SPFL play-off rules, to decide which league a relegated L2 club would go to. There's nothing in the LL rules & constitution about location of member clubs, and it says that clubs in the WoSFL, SoSFL and EoSFL will be promoted into the LL if they win that play-off. What that means is that if the EoSFL accepted Lochee as a member and they won the league and the play-off, they would get into the LL. If they won the LL they would play-off against the winner of the HL, and if they won that and then the play-off with SPFL club 42, they would get promoted into L2. But the following season, if they finished bottom of L2 and lost the play-off, they would automatically be relegated into the Highland League! The same is true of Luncarty, incidentally. They are current members of the EoSFL but their ground lies north of the hallowed line, and the rules allow no room for exceptions. These sorts of anomalies are why I'm hoping all the parties are in discussion to get Tayside & Angus into the pyramid, and resolve the boundaries in as fair a way as possible. What about when the lowland league were electing members it was specifically stated then. As it stands unless someone announces something the tayside is north of the line. If they dont ask highland league or even eosfl then that's what will happen. Luncarty is an anomaly not the rule. Harthill will be the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) A list of clubs which are thought to have applied to the EoS or have stated somewhere that is their plan: 7 Bathgate Thistle Bo'ness Juniors CFC Livingston United Pumpherston Juniors West Calder United Whitburn Juniors Cupar Hearts Other East Juniors which may or may not apply: 8 Armadale Thistle Fauldhouse United Harthill Royal Sauchie CFC Stoneyburn Juniors Syngenta Scone Thistle Tayport Edited March 11, 2021 by Dev . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dev said: A list of clubs which are thought to have applied to the EoS or have stated somewhere that is their plan: 7 Bathgate Thistle Bo'ness Juniors CFC Livingston United Pumpherston Juniors West Calder United Whitburn Juniors Cupar Hearts Other East Juniors which may or may not apply: 8 Armadale Thistle Fauldhouse United Harthill Royal Sauchie CFC Stoneyburn Juniors Syngenta Scone Thistle Tayport I know there was something about Cupar and AM soccer linking up, but have they actually said anywhere they're applying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Not heard any chat about Cupar Hearts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 23/12/2020 at 15:27, leomessi1984 said: Cupar Hearts looking to make the step up next season by all accounts. Would be a decent addition. Some very good players there right now with the likes of McBride & Sibanda. ^^^this was where the Cupar Hearts angle started in this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdr71 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Dev said: A list of clubs which are thought to have applied to the EoS or have stated somewhere that is their plan: 7 Bathgate Thistle Bo'ness Juniors CFC Livingston United Pumpherston Juniors West Calder United Whitburn Juniors Cupar Hearts Other East Juniors which may or may not apply: 8 Armadale Thistle Fauldhouse United Harthill Royal Sauchie CFC Stoneyburn Juniors Syngenta Scone Thistle Tayport Someone has to say it...if some of those 'may or may not apply' follow through, there will be enough material there for an entire new EoS conference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Pumpherston have confirmed EoS application on twitter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Pumpherston Juniors fc Pumpherston Juniors are happy to announce that we have applied for membership of the East Of Scotland Football League starting from season 2021/2022 to move the club forward into the Senior ranks of the SFA pyramid system. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Pumpherston have confirmed EoS application on twitter. Patiently awaiting armadale announcement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, sdr71 said: Someone has to say it...if some of those 'may or may not apply' follow through, there will be enough material there for an entire new EoS conference. Assuming this season will be null and void (can't really be avoided anymore), there will most likely be a new season of tier 7 conferences. If we assume it will be with 44 clubs (if all the above apply except for Tayport & Scone who might stay Tayside), that would be 14/15/15. In my opinion, it makes sense to then go to a 16 team First Division and Second divisions north & south (16/15/15 assuming 2 more clubs go down from the Premier than get promoted & no new applicants / clubs withdrawing). Edited March 11, 2021 by Marten 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Dev said: A list of clubs which are thought to have applied to the EoS or have stated somewhere that is their plan: 7 Bathgate Thistle Bo'ness Juniors CFC Livingston United Pumpherston Juniors West Calder United Whitburn Juniors Cupar Hearts Other East Juniors which may or may not apply: 8 Armadale Thistle Fauldhouse United Harthill Royal Sauchie CFC Stoneyburn Juniors Syngenta Scone Thistle Tayport I was hoping for between 12 and 14 applicants joining the EOSFL from the East Region + Cupar Hearts. I think that there are now 10 certainties Armadale Thistle Bathgate Thistle Bo’ness Juniors CFC Fauldhouse United Livingston United Pumpherston Juniors Stoneyburn Juniors Syngenta West Calder United Whitburn Juniors It remains exciting times with the possibility of a couple of other additions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just hearing there’s a managerial vacancy at your team @AlanCamelonfan... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Pumpherston have confirmed EoS application on twitter. Edited March 11, 2021 by Pyramidic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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