Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[NotThePars]

Anyone that put their mandate eggs in the basket of a majority of vote share was on a hiding to nothing anyway. Too many people are indulging dafties like John Curtice or inventing their own high-risk completely baseless justification for Westminster giving a section 30. It has to be, and should always be, a simple majority vote in Holyrood and use that as the basis and beginning of a sustained legal, parliamentary and civil society challenge to the Tories down south to get another referendum.

If Sturgeon goes you lose enough of the vote and momentum to get over 50% though. People can grumble about what the Tories do in government and how independence is bigger than personalities but ultimately it isn't and if the unionists can score a hit as big as Sturgeon they'll smell blood and never relent.

[Baxter Parp]

Somebody somewhere has broken the confidentiality rules.

[ayrmad]

19 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Somebody somewhere has broken the confidentiality rules.

They'll fit in well then. 

[ayrmad]

The SNP couldn't have done a better job of not getting a mandate for a 2nd referendum if they tried. 

[sparky88]

4 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Somebody somewhere has broken the confidentiality rules.

 

"I don't remember breaking the confidentiality rules". 

[Mark Connolly]

Surely she can just tweet a correction in the middle of the night? That's how you deal with this stuff isn't it?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Sky are rowing back now as well.

https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-was-saved-by-one-missing-word-in-the-alex-salmond-report-but-this-saga-isnt-over-12250059

[Pocketman]

8 hours ago, strichener said:

Nicola before giving evidence - I welcome the opportunity to put my side of the story to the inquiry.

Nicola today - "What has been clear is that opposition members of this committee made their minds up before I uttered a single word of evidence. Their public comments have made that clear."

Assuming that all the SNP members believed her then we certainly have a problem with credibility and it isn't with the non-SNP members.

you forgot to add as your first point that prior to NS giving her statement to the committee, Ross called for her to resign and Baillie who of course sat on the committee (and a few days before Sturgeon was due to appear) assessed what's she considered to be emerging evidence as "indefensible". 

Therefore the credibility of the opposition is in question, not withstanding Tory hypocrisy where lies to parliament are routinely trotted out on a weekly basis. This is often batted away by Ross as "whatboutery" but it sits at the heart of their consistency and credibility on this issue. 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

So is it misled the committee or misled Parliament?

MSM journalists seem somewhat confused.

[mizfit]

So is it misled the committee or misled Parliament?

MSM journalists seem somewhat confused.

[Whitburn Vale]

All of this at the end of the day,is another "2014 vow" .....,its the British state flexing its muscles to prevent a part of the UK from splitting away,when it was increasingly looking likely.

If England did not think of us as handy or financially good to have around then we would be dropped like a hot ton of bricks.....

One or two people in the background should hav been dispatched before this,the SNP need to learn,give the British state enough rope and they will hang,draw and quarter you...

It's the same auld game that has been played out for centuries between Scotland and England.

It's time Scotland woke up........

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The word impression there adds even more ambiguity.

Impression - noun

an idea, feeling, or opinion about something or someone, especially one formed without conscious thought or on the basis of little evidence.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

So misled the committee - clearly these morons don't understand that it is possible for 2 completely different impressions of the same meeting.

It is perfectly possible that Duncan Hamilton, Salmond and Sturgeon are correct because they took different impressions from the meeting.

Been there and done that.

[SandyCromarty]

Nicola will not resign over a an opposition party biased vote, as she said, before she sat down to give evidence the opposition committee members had made their minds up as to their decision.

She is the most able and articulate politician in the UK and probably the best that Scotland has produced, the tories fear her ability and her popularity and that is why they have been trying their best to bring her down, well again this latest effort will fail and next week she will still be First Minister and doing her utmost as she tours the country elctioneering to bring the SNP majority and a mandate for a second referendum.

This whole fiasco has been like a little pathetic trashy soap opera on the part of the tories who resemble nothing more than playground bullies shouting cheap jibes.

Alex Salmond should hang his head in shame for having colluded with the tories who have brought nothing but misery and damage to Scotland, a party which makes no bones of wanting to dissolve out Holyrood Parliament.

I also note that one recent poll indicates a 51%/49% in favour of Scottish Independence, looks the witch hunt is backfiring.

[kevthedee]

Nicola will not resign over a an opposition party biased vote, as she said, before she sat down to give evidence the opposition committee members had made their minds up as to their decision.
She is the most able and articulate politician in the UK and probably the best that Scotland has produced, the tories fear her ability and her popularity and that is why they have been trying their best to bring her down, well again this latest effort will fail and next week she will still be First Minister and doing her utmost as she tours the country elctioneering to bring the SNP majority and a mandate for a second referendum.
This whole fiasco has been like a little pathetic trashy soap opera on the part of the tories who resemble nothing more than playground bullies shouting cheap jibes.
Alex Salmond should hang his head in shame for having colluded with the tories who have brought nothing but misery and damage to Scotland, a party which makes no bones of wanting to dissolve out Holyrood Parliament.
I also note that one recent poll indicates a 51%/49% in favour of Scottish Independence, looks the witch hunt is backfiring.

If the James Hamilton QC inquiry returns a similar verdict to that of the holyroods inquiry should she resign then ?

[sparky88]

43 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said:

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Therefore the credibility of the opposition is in question, not withstanding Tory hypocrisy where lies to parliament are routinely trotted out on a weekly basis. This is often batted away by Ross as "whatboutery" but it sits at the heart of their consistency and credibility on this issue. 

 

'Breaking the ministerial code is fine because Boris does it' does absolutely no favours for the cause of independence . 

[John Lambies Doos]

So is it misled the committee or misled Parliament?

MSM journalists seem somewhat confused.

Sky news had misled parliament all over their strap lines

[John Lambies Doos]

If the James Hamilton QC inquiry returns a similar verdict to that of the holyroods inquiry should she resign then ?

If she has done it knowingly then perhaps. Leaking of this committee report has been done to influence the Hamilton report. We shall see what happens on Tuesday. Either way the independence movement in Scotland will get no favours from the Tory MSM, so that will need to be accepted

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

3 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

'Breaking the ministerial code is fine because Boris does it' does absolutely no favours for the cause of independence . 

Nobody said it's fine. But let's not kid ourseleves on here what this rabid witch hunt is all about. 

It's about the Tories throwing enough mud at the credibility of Nicola Sturgeon to make sure that the SNP doesn't get an absolute majority in May. It's not about the 'integrity of government' or anything like that......if the Scottish Tories cared anything about that they wouldn't be steeped in hypocrisy and would criticising Johnson on a daily basis.

Nope, this is sheer opportunism from the Tories. they had pre-judged the enauiry before it even started and they've leaked the finidings in advance to try and cause maximum political damage. 

Johnson's lying is absolutely fair game under these circumstances, and I'd like to see the SNP come out on the attack between now and May. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

If the James Hamilton QC inquiry returns a similar verdict to that of the holyroods inquiry should she resign then ?

Hamilton is different but as has been pointed out elsewhere there is apparently the possibility that she may have breached one part of the code to avoid a more serious breach elsewhere.

We'll just need to wait and see.