Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, Stormzy said:

I dunno, it's certainly an interesting idea. I just think that if she resigned then the MSM and opposition parties would really drive home the negative stories, the position of electing someone who has had to resign is poor optics imo, she probably would get reelected but what if her numbers suffered considerably, she would be permanently tarred with this brush, I think it would be very hard to sell to the electorate the nuance of why she would have resigned in that scenario most people would just presume guilt on her part. 

That's not a 'very high risk' to the strategy, which is what you initially claimed. There's of course a chance of that happening, but it's both i) not highly likely and ii) not of critical significance. Low probability + low impact = low risk. 

Meanwhile the risks of staying in office while the opposition label the SG as tainted by sleaze are just as likely, IMO, to have a modest impact on support with no advantage to be gained. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by vikingTON

[Detournement]

There is no way she is going to temporarily resign and let someone else decide when we are going to get a pint.  

Once you are committed to the strong leader act there can be no displays of weakness. 

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, Ned Nederlander said:

I've changed my politics fairly recently (No/Tory -> Yes/SNP) and I'd be happy to change my vote again - I won't be changing it over any of this utter nonsense.

Good for you.

Shows that your mind is not entrenched in any one philosophy.

When I was a student, I was as left wing as was possible but throughout the years I’ve move quite a bit rightwards Having witnessed the uselessness of socialism.

Worst kind of person is the one with the closed mind.

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, sparky88 said:

No-one needed that £500,000 anyway. 

Is that the missing money in the SNP accounts which was supposed to be ring-fenced?

[SandyCromarty]

Michelle Obama speaking about public service recently said, " It's not about us, it's about the people we serve", and the vast majority of the right minded Scottish people think that Nicola has served them brilliantly and she is the most capable politician that Scotland has produced.

And therein is the problem in that the opposition parties know it and regard her as a threat, she will remain in office and be re-elected in May with a majority as this attempted coup by the despised tories is scumbagging of the highest order.

[NotThePars]

4 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Michelle Obama speaking about public service recently said, " It's not about us, it's about the people we serve", and the vast majority of the right minded Scottish people think that Nicola has served them brilliantly and she is the most capable politician that Scotland has produced.

Not to go all Eric Andre but was it serving the public when her husband signed kill lists filled with Pakistani farmers and their families every Tuesday and boasted about it?

[NotThePars]

Jiminy Cricket pipes up 

 

[HTG]

1 hour ago, sparky88 said:

No-one needed that £500,000 anyway. 

It's hardly the biggest deal on the planet in terms of govt spending. If there's been a poor process implemented then fair enough, find out what's wrong and fix it. There isn't a govt on the planet that doesn't call it wrong at some point. But if the head of govt was held to account for each and every one of these, there would be a never-ending cycle new heads of govt. The Conservatives would have been through 3 or 4 Johnsons, a couple of Patels, several Hancocks and a few Raabs just since December 2019. 

I've spent the last year working on the implementation of a project which went live on 1 January at a cost of £millions. Meantime on 1 January, the UK govt reduced the scope of the thing and indicated it'll go in the bin the minute they're ready to move away from the EU to an OECD equivalent.  

£500k is peeing in a pond. Patel spent that shouting at someone ffs.

[oneteaminglasgow]

18 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Jiminy Cricket pipes up 

 

Thought Keith was on record that “calling for people to resign is not what the public want to see”

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

8 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Thought Keith was on record that “calling for Tories to resign is not what the public want to see”

FTFY

[KingRocketman II]

15 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Thought Keith was on record that “calling for people to resign is not what the public want to see”

yep on Radio Scotland this morning he said that the country needed to defeat Covid and then rebuild and nobody wants to be distracted by a referendum. And then without seemingly taking a breath in response to the next question, said Sturgeon should resign even though the likely uncertainty this would bring would impact on the SG's approach to tackling C-19. 

In other contradictory statements he said that he was not opposed per se to Johnson's proposals on Trident but he was very much in favour of gradual disarmament and wanted to see the substance of the proposal before commenting. When pointed out to him that Scottish Labour's posiiion was to abandon renewal of Trident he said that policy position was not o ballot box issue come the Scottish May elections. 

so all in all, perfectly clear. And to reinforce this he said "....and I want to be perfectly clear on this...." at one point before tying himself up in contradictory knots. 

Labour, eh? 

 

[Anonapersona]

53 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Jiminy Cricket pipes up 

 

I don't think it's too surprising. Keir's audience is the English public.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

58 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Jiminy Cricket pipes up 

 

who gives a f**k what he thinks?

answer- not many, here on down south . t

[SandyCromarty]

57 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Not to go all Eric Andre but was it serving the public when her husband signed kill lists filled with Pakistani farmers and their families every Tuesday and boasted about it?

Creating or upscaling wars is a common trait with American Presidents, it seems to go with the territory.

Surprisingly the only President who, since Roosevelt, did not start or dramatically upscale a war was Donald Trump.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said:

 the vast majority of the right minded Scottish people

I love this kind of patter.

 

[sparky88]

21 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said:

 And then without seemingly taking a breath in response to the next question, said Sturgeon should resign even though the likely uncertainty this would bring would impact on the SG's approach to tackling C-19. 

 

A change in the SG's approach to tackling COVID19 might have been a good thing, though perhaps a bit late. 

[SandyCromarty]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

She wouldn't be resigning from the party leadership and so they would still have a leader going into the election. Which they will almost certainly win regardless, which then allows them to reinstate Sturgeon to her position with a popular mandate and the opposition case refuted. 

If you think that the opposition are not going to be throwing the exact same mud both during and after the election campaign then you're deluded. This would simply cut away both their arguments from under them. 

Of course they are, they having nothing else to sling at a proven and popular government going by the May election polls which indicated this morning that the SNP are still at 46% compared to the tories 22%, and the thing is I firmly believe that the mud slinging will strengthen the SNP vote come May, the Scottish public will soon tire of repetitive accusations and resignation demands, all that will do is please the tory voters anyway and gain them nothing.

Bear in mind that the tories are no friends of Scotland having given us nothing but grief. Or maybe you think that the central belt working classes, (which we all are), will come out and vote tory in their droves. 

Brexit was the best thing that happened for the SNP vote come May, and if the Scottish tories think that we have forgotten that because they have resignation headlines in the media day after day then they have got it all wrong.

[Highlandmagar]

1 hour ago, NotThePars said:

Jiminy Cricket pipes up 

 

Thank f**k I left that 'Little Englander' party

[SandyCromarty]

Just now, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

Thank f**k I left that 'Little Englander' party

Yes they took the Scots votes for granted for far too long.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

yep on Radio Scotland this morning he said that the country needed to defeat Covid and then rebuild and nobody wants to be distracted by a referendum. And then without seemingly taking a breath in response to the next question, said Sturgeon should resign even though the likely uncertainty this would bring would impact on the SG's approach to tackling C-19. 
In other contradictory statements he said that he was not opposed per se to Johnson's proposals on Trident but he was very much in favour of gradual disarmament and wanted to see the substance of the proposal before commenting. When pointed out to him that Scottish Labour's posiiion was to abandon renewal of Trident he said that policy position was not o ballot box issue come the Scottish May elections. 
so all in all, perfectly clear. And to reinforce this he said "....and I want to be perfectly clear on this...." at one point before tying himself up in contradictory knots. 
Labour, eh? [emoji3][emoji3]
 

I thought Gary Robertson took him apart issue by issue, and for a lawyer by profession Starmer did not handle it at all well.